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Yes, Kids Can Get Covid. But They’re More Likely to Die of Flu

Last week, there was a hysterical story in the New York Times about how hundreds of children had become infected at a summer camp in Georgia. It led to crazy, paranoid “guidance” being written by bedwetting journalists, such as this piece for the NPR website advising parents to “look for” things like “consistent, mandatory mask usage for kids and adults” and “6 feet between desks, small class sizes and cohorts”.

As Gummi Bear said on Twitter: “Nobody said children don’t get COVID-19 so not sure what the breaking news is. A 12 year-old child has a 1 in 55,000 chance of dying IF they get it. That same child is 25x more likely to die from other causes. As a society, we have lost all commonsense in terms of risk assessment.”

The above IFR data from the huge seroprevalence survey in Spain – and which almost certainly overstates the IFR in every age category – says children under the age of 10 have an IFR of 0.0029% and those aged 10-18 0.0018%.

The negligible risk to children is also mentioned in this piece in today’s Telegraph by Science Editor Sarah Knapton entitled “How the danger of coronavirus compares with the risks of everyday life”. She writes:

Children have a greater chance of being hit by lightning than dying from coronavirus with the death rate for five to 14-year-olds in England and Wales currently just one in 3.5 million. For under-fives, it is one in 1.17 million.

Not surprisingly, these data cut no mustard with the teaching unions. The Telegraph has obtained a recording of a Zoom meeting with Mary Bousted, joint head of the National Education Union (NEU), in which she advises her lieutenants that the Government “won’t be able to carry out their threats” against schools that refuse to re-open in September.

She said: “The latest iteration of Government guidance is so unworkable that you can’t trust it. Local authorities and schools should take the confidence to do what they can do and that will mean for many schools that they cannot have all children fully back in September.

“Now, the Government’s making threatening noises about that. But in the end, they won’t be able to carry out their threats.”

She said that it might be “simply impossible” to follow the guidance “and have all children back” and schools “should have the confidence to be looking at what is possible in your area and make those arrangements”.

The Government is in a hole of its own making. If it hadn’t insisted schools comply with a plethora of utterly pointless social distancing measures, the teaching unions wouldn’t be in such a powerful position. In effect, the Department for Education has handed its most ruthless enemies a loaded gun. It can’t really complain if that gun is now being pointed at its head.

Did Dominic Cummings Make Second Trip to Durham?

The Dominic Cummings puppet in the new series of Spitting Image

Two of four people who claim to have seen Dominic Cummings on what would have been a second visit to the north-east of England have complained to the police watchdog, accusing the Durham force of not fully probing their claims, according to the Guardian.

Cummings has consistently denied returning to Durham on April 19th, days after he came back to London from a trip that was subsequently exposed in a joint investigation by the Guardian and the Daily Mirror.

The Prime Minister’s chief adviser has said that phone data and potentially CCTV would prove he was in London – and the Guardian has been told of one sighting of him on Hampstead Heath that afternoon.

However, neither he nor Downing Street has gone public with the evidence they say they have – and which Boris Johnson says he has seen – and pressure is mounting again for full transparency to answer lingering questions about his movements.

Apologies if I can’t get too worked up about this. Who gives a stuff if Dominic Cummings broke the lockdown rules? When will the Guardian and Daily Mirror‘s journalists start doing their jobs and ask why Cummings and co placed the entire country under virtual house arrest on March 23rd without having done any due diligence about the damage it was likely to do?

Lockdown Easing Caused a Fall in Infections

“This proves the lockdown was necessary, doesn’t it?”

According to new research done by Imperial College and Ipsos Mori, who carried out the largest swab testing survey in the country, infections fell when lockdown restrictions were eased. The Telegraph has more.

Although there are fears that releasing measures too soon has led to localised spikes in some areas, new data suggests that there was no overall rise after primary schools returned and non-essential shops reopened.

According to Imperial College London and Ipsos Mori, community prevalence actually fell after lockdown measures were relaxed, decreasing from 12 infections per 10,000 people in May to eight in 10,000 by mid-June to early July.

Needless to say, Matt Hancock has tried to spin this as proof that the lockdown was effective.

“This research highlights how, thanks to everyone’s efforts and sacrifice, alongside targeted measures to counter the spread of this virus in health and care settings, we were able to keep rates of infection low as some restrictions were lifted.

“However, we must not be complacent. I urge everyone to get a test if you have symptoms, self-isolate and provide your contacts to NHS Test and Trace so we can continue to keep the virus at bay and get back to normal.”

You’ve got to give him points for shamelessness. No matter how conclusive the evidence is that the lockdown was completely ineffective, he’d try and spin it as a vindication of Government policy.

Car Salesman More Trusted Than Prime Minister

Amusing anecdote sent to me by a reader:

Thought I’d share my experience in a car showroom today. I’d already told the saleswoman I wouldn’t be masked and she was absolutely fine with it but there was a steady stream of masked people coming in as they currently have a 0% finance offer on. They all were clearly uncomfortable and took them off as soon as the sales staff told them it was OK. It seems we now live in a country where people trust car salesmen more than they do the Prime Minister!

Breakin’ the Law, Breakin’ the Law – in Melbourne

A spirited resident of Melbourne has got in touch to reveal how often he now finds himself breaking the law in the course of his daily routine.

I’m a 53 year old married father of three, running a small business. In the space of 24 hours my life went from low key, bordering on boring, to law breaking and risky. And I didn’t change a thing I did.

Leaving at 4.20am each morning, I run from my home to the city, about 12-14km (depending on which station I run to), then catch a train to work, getting to work at 6am. This boring routine now violates many new laws in Chairman Dan Andrews’ nightmarish socialist dystopia. By leaving at 4.20am I’m breaking the 8pm-5am curfew, by running for more than an hour I’m breaking the 1 hour exercise a day rule, by running more than 5km from my place of residence, I break the 5km rule, if I forget to carry my mask, that’s another rule broken and if I forget to carry work permit papers, allowing me to travel to work (ludicrously signed by me as a worker & signed again by me as the co-owner of the company), then I’m breaking another edict brought in last Sunday.

I now run at my usual time, but only around my area, still for the same time and distance, with my Garmin switched off, my location services on my phone also switched off, clad entirely in black. The first 40 minutes of my run is spent avoiding main roads (police might find me out before curfew is over), avoiding shopping areas (maybe a camera might catch me), and ducking up peoples driveways, or standing still behind a tree, whenever I see a set of headlights. Maybe it might be the cops?

My formerly law abiding a mild mannered wife and children now also find themselves breaking several laws a day. Maybe we need something at the supermarket, but we’ve already been out once that day for shopping? Go out again and you’re breaking a law. One shopping trip a day is allowed, and only for one hour. Going for a small jog, find yourself out of breath and slow to a walk? Put that mask on! If you’re not actually jogging/running, a mask must be on at all times! There’s suddenly a lot of people going for very slow jogs, looking like it’s the first time they’ve run since school, all for the freedom of not wearing a mask.

Last weekend, I wanted to take my two youngest kids out to get an ice cream. Such frivolity is not a permitted reason to be out. To get around this edict, I asked my 13 year old daughter to write out a fake shopping list, so that if questioned by police on the reason we were out, we could produce the fake shopping list and plead that we were out in order to shop for vital supplies at the supermarket across the road from the ice cream shop. So my daughter is caught up in my law breaking lifestyle too.

I haven’t even mentioned the myriad laws and rules my brother & I must now keep in mind in trying to run a little hardware company with 16 staff. Including who we sell to, when we sell, where we allow goods to be collected from and what the customer is going to do with the goods. I’ll save this saga for another time.

This is life in Melbourne in August 2020.

I had to point out that by taking his two youngest kids out for an ice cream he was almost certainly breaking another law. As I understand it, only two people are allowed out of their house at any one time.

Round-Up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Two today: “Harder to Breathe” by Maroon 5 and “The Bug” by Paul Weatherhead.

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

Forums Back Up and Running

I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open. Initially, they became a spam magnet so we temporarily closed them. However, we’ve found a team of people wiling to serve as moderators so the Forums are back up and running. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

I thought I’d create a new permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Sept 11th to 22nd). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from eBay here and an “exempt” card that looks like as if it’s been issued by the NHS for just £2.79 from Etsy here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And the reader who managed to travel all the way to Corfu without wearing a face nappy, thanks to a “Mask Exempt” lanyard, reports he was able to travel back again too.

Just a quick note to say I used the Lanyard again on the way back from Corfu. No questions asked. The Greeks, who are getting strict on face coverings, clearly appreciate the validity of the lanyards too.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

The Boris Johnson puppet in the new series of Spitting Image. Too flattering?
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HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/06/nhs-test-trace-contacting-fewer-half-contacts-people-testing/
 
 
NHS Test and Trace contacting fewer than half the contacts of people testing positive

Reach falls to 45 per cent in week ending July 29 having stood at 51 per cent in week before, analysis reveals

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Good good.
Keep ignoring your phones people.
Keep giving those fake details.
Keep dodging tests.

Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Never answer numbers I haven’t saved, at my age they’re almost certainly scams. New one yesterday (message on answerphone) Redundancy Line or somesuch, the new PPI. Had spotted that I was closing my company but it wasn’t quite dead yet and did I know I was now entitled to a redundancy payout from the ever bountiful HMG (after their cut no doubt), shameless.

Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Most of the people these days are so thick that passing a virus test may be the only test they’ve ever passed. it’s an achievement for them. They can say i’ve had the virus like they’ve just gained a first from Oxford for Molecular Biology

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

We will!

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

And refuse as well. Say “I DO NOT consent” politely but firmly, they do get the hint.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Are they actually recording whether they were symptomatic or not?

guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Yeah that’s what I want to know. Almost tempted to go and ask them at one of the test centres.

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

If I have to burn anything, the test centres are the first on my list.

guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Can you go down, ask them in detail about their procedures, and then torch the place, and report back?

Cruella
Cruella
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Why would you do that? They are mostly occupied with testing patients pre op or before elective admission and HCWs that are symptomatic and need a swab to be suitable to return to work. They’re also mostly staffed by mugs like me that are employed by the government and go where they’re sent. Stupid, infantile comment.

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

DRW: I’m not sure anyone cares.
Just finding viral fragments is sufficient to keep the fearmongering going.

Still. It could be worse.
We could be living in Victoria, Oz…..

Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Just finding viral fragments is sufficient to keep the fearmongering going”

Precisely. It’s ritual magic.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

More like psychic driving. Rituals only work efficiently with knowledge and consent from those involved.

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Or California

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Victoria will soon be coming to a place near you and me.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Doubtful!

guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

As I posted yesterday I estimate that they’re finding about 1.3% of the people who are actually infected in the UK anyway.

This is based on 3000 new infections per day and a prevalence of 0.05% (ONS), a Pillar 2 test sensitivity/specificity of 70%/99.5%, and them finding 600 cases per day. The low prevalence means only about 40 of the 600 will be true positives, which is about 1.3% of 3000.

In other words, they’re missing 2960 actual infections, but of the 40 they are finding, they’re only finding 18 of their contacts when it was 20 in the week before. Surely this means a second wave is just around the corner. I’m going to lock myself in the basement and wait for a vaccine.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

I am glad I don’t have any friends.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Awwww !

Willow
Willow
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

You are completely wrong about that. The specificity of the test is irrelevant to the fact that the specific proteins it tests for are found in the harmless, non infective viral fragments shed by recovered people for up to 3 months. A person who does not have symptoms does not have active infection. They are not “cases” and they are not infectious. 100% of asymptomatic positive tests are almost certainly false positive. Only isolating viable virus shows active infection.

guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  Willow

Well, the ONS reckon their asymptomatic ratio hasn’t changed much. So I think that figure of 3000 new infections per day is probably a reasonable upper estimate.

Most people won’t test positive as late as three months. It can happen but they will be outliers. Mostly you will test positive for about 10 days and then start testing negative.

I would like to know the asymptomatic ratio in the Pillar 2 tests as this would be a big confirmation of the suspicion that they’re finding about 0.5% false positives (i.e. basically all of them are FPs).

Alcina
Alcina
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Why does it mean a second wave is round the corner, rather than it being function of increased testing? The ratio of positive tests/tests is tending to zero. Deaths tailing off.

guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  Alcina

I was being sarcastic 🙂 Infections are remaining constant at a low level because of herd immunity not because of the government’s laughable T&T scheme and other gestures. The ONS reckon about 30k people in the UK are infected and this has been the situation for several weeks. This is a reasonable estimate I think. Can you imagine what would happen if we seeded Australia now, a country that genuinely has no herd immunity (beyond probably typical levels of cross immunity) with 30,000 evenly distributed “patient zeros”? Infections would be doubling every four days or so, with hospitalizations and deaths a few weeks behind. It’s not something you would miss. We’re supposed to believe that 95% of the UK population are still susceptible and that the only reason this isn’t happening here is masks, T&T and the other crap. There will be an increase in the winter which everyone will get excited about and call a “second wave” but it will just be the normal seasonal behaviour of an endemic virus. A real “second wave” is when you suppressed the virus with NPIs and then you drop your guard and it comes back. I really can’t see that happening in… Read more »

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago

Is it me or is it thee who is the first to be the one to comment? It’s thee, a hawk with great long talons.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I don’t give a hoot, although I was slightly shocked to see a post for tomorrow at the end of today.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Surely it’s owls that hoot.

DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

the Northern Hawk owl probably hoots

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Ozzie Osborne can bark all he wants, I prefer to owl.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

I think both owls and hawks can screech so let’s leave it on that happy note!

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I am an owl. I love owling at the moon on occasion.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

An owler is a Sussex smuggler. Watch the wall, my darling, watch the wall.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

On the now deceased thread, I was recommending the poem Antigonish as the perfect reference point for the policies of the Lockdown Lunatics. Google it and you will see what I mean…

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

My maternal grandmother was born in Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada, in 1899.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

The poem dates from the period and relates to a ghost story from that town. 🙂

Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Your Canadian roots go back a ways! I’ve got Nova Scotia on the brain because I’m working remotely to get my daughter’s apartment furnished and set up before she goes back to Acadia University in a few weeks. Hubby and I were supposed to get it all set up in May, but of course we were victims of Covid interruptus, and with the crazy 2-week quarantine imposed on anyone coming from out-of-province, we had no choice but to hire people to do all the work. They’ll also be doing grocery runs for her while she’s imprisoned for 2 weeks. But at least she’ll be getting some in-person instruction which is more than I can say for most university students this year.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

What happened to Nova Scotia?

My Nova Scotian grandmother visited me in Montreal around Xmas 1972. She took a train from Los Angeles, stopped off at my Aunt & Uncle in Hope, B.C., then on to Montreal, then to Nova Scotia where she hadn’t been for 50 years, and finally all the way back to California.

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Some the links above are from me anyway 🙂

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

They have been hammered!
 
 
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/hammerson-to-raise-800m-via-rights-issue-and-sale-of-designer-outlets-kttfv0v32
 
 
 
 

Hammerson to raise £800m via rights issue and sale of designer outlets

DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

This is only the beginning, unfortunatly.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Paywall!

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

Car Salesman More Trusted Than Prime Minister
That puts Boris several notches below Richard Nixon.

DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

That must hurt, being thought of less trust worthy than a car salesman ouch!

Tricky Dickie would be a shining light in the current mess.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

He loved wife Pat’s meat loaf.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Would you buy a used car from Boris?

Uncle Monty
5 years ago

Is Covid a mere smokescreen?
Are we the frogs in the cauldron who have skin sensitive enough to feel the temperature increasing?
Have we been played for fools with this Covid BS?
Despite our inquisitiveness to seek the facts and figures hidden from the masses, really this whole ‘pandemic’ has been a smokescreen for something more calculated.
‘The Great Reset’

https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset

I hope I’m wrong!

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

Well from a Politico video on YT I see one of the PM’s key SAGE advisors, Susan Michie, is a Communist, and a v active one. Why is it OK for the Far Left to offer advice to our PM on such a sensitive natter that can either deliver or destroy our country but not the Far Right? Answers on a postcard to no one in the MSM cos they just ain’t interested.

DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Having watched a few of the “independent” SAGE videos, Ms Mitchie reminds me of a female Bill Gates, she does that smile when she talks about more control needed for people.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Send in the Daleks.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Speaking of the Far Right, is Mark Collett considered Far Right? I listened to some of his podcasts last night and they skating pretty close to White Supremacist territory.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Gladstone ssid: “I will always back the masses against the classes.” The BBC now say: “We will always back the races against the masses.”

No idea who Mark C is. If he’s American he’s got a problem on his hands seeing how well American Asians do in academia, business and basically all fields – with no help from anyone really.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

He was on the Richie Allen Show this week.

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

He’s a Brit, not American.
Was in the BNP a long time ago.

Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

He’s a right wing BNP dude who’s as dumb as box of rocks. He tries to appeal to those of us who are pissed off at immigration. Now don’t get me wrong i’m not for open borders and lament the destruction of our society by bringing in the rest of world but i genuinely believe that dudes like him are MI5 agents. His chick looks quite hot but i’d say she’s another one of these agents.

Peter
Peter
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

She be his handler, reminds of David Shayler and Annie Mahon when they infiltrated and tried to control the UK 9/11 skeptics movement.

Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter

Spot on, any real extreme right wingers would get zero air time the only ones who do are shills.

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

He probably is. He used to be in the BNP, I believe.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

More to the point – she’s a behavioral scientist.

Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

I believe you are right. The Davos crowd, Bill Gates, et. al. are absolutely using the “pandemic” to push their new world order agenda. Perhaps I’ve been watching too many “conspiracy” videos (David Icke on London Real and Who is Bill Gates? on the Corbett Report), but between them both there is a very compelling story about why were are where we are and what the end game is. As Icke says, it’s almost inconceivable that a mere handful of people were able to shut down the world economy and lock down billions of people. They’re the psychopaths, and the politicians who are all executing on the madness are idiots.

https://freedomplatform.tv/rose-icke-v-the-answer/
https://www.corbettreport.com/gates/

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

Invertebrates.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Please don’t insult insects, molluscs, jellyfish etc.

Biker
5 years ago

David icke and all these other dudes are just making a living speculating on conspiracies that may or may not be true and don’t really help matters one way or the other. Remember the Bob Dylan advice “don’t follow leaders and watch your parking meters”

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

The lyrics to ‘It’s all right Ma (I’m only Bleeding)’ keep coming back to me through all this.

Also, like SHB, from Bringing it all back Home, his ‘115th Dream’. Just insanity all around you, like some horrible dream. But it’s everyone else has to wake up, not you.

The record that really comes to mind though, as nailing this madness to the core, is ’22 going on 23′ by the Butthole Surfers, from 1987. Anyone here know that one?

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t92UkJkfb6g

I should add that the woman at the start on the Radio talk show was apparently a hoaxer, an attention seeker – used to call in regularly with a different story.

The real sting is right at the end.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

You owe me 4 minutes of life, TJN.

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

No, that’s a great record! Not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s stayed with me ever since I first heard it back in 1987.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

There’s always ear-bleach. Or a lobotomy …

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Well it is an ode to neurotic insanity …

Drawde927
Drawde927
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Just listened to that song for the first time even though I have that album on CD I can’t remember ever hearing it before! Some of the lyrics could have been written for 2020

For them that must obey authority
That they do not respect in any degree
Who despise their jobs, their destinies
Speak jealously of them that are free

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer’s pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death’s honesty
Won’t fall upon them naturally
Life sometimes must get lonely

A lot of the Mars Volta’s lyrics (seriously weird US prog rockers, 2003-2012, one of my favourite bands) are kind of similar in style – though on another level of surreality/crypticness to anything Bob Dylan wrote – and also really evoke the current madness to me. Particularly “Agadez”, “Conjugal Burns”, “Cavalettas”, “Day of the Baphomets”, and pretty much the whole album of “Noctourniquet”

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Drawde927

Just about the whole song could have been written for this.

So don’t fear if you hear
A foreign sound to your ear
It’s alright, Ma, I’m only sighing

An’ though the rules of the road have been lodged
It’s only people’s games that you got to dodge
And it’s alright, Ma, I can make it

Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to

But I mean no harm nor put fault
On anyone that lives in a vault
But it’s alright, Ma, if I can’t please him

And if my thought-dreams could be seen
They’d probably put my head in a guillotine
But it’s alright, Ma, it’s life, and life only

And that’s only choruses.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

And if my thought-dreams could be seen
They’d probably put my head in a guillotine
But it’s alright, Ma, it’s life, and life only

The best line in the song. My head would have been chopped off thousands of times already in the past fifty years or so.

binra
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Its all a sharp suss – except…
it is your own games that are cast out to ‘others’.
And so ‘others’ act out your

The mind is not what it thinks it is.

If the thought dream was not masked as private agenda behind social disguise, fear says it would be destroyed.

“And who told you you were naked” said the Lord?

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  binra

Not sure I understand all that!

Peter
Peter
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker
binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter

The world is a fraud

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

“Doesn’t need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.”. 🙂

Icke has been spot on with 95% of what he’s been saying for over 25 years. And he has always discouraged people from setting him up as any kind of leader.

binra
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

The ‘weathermen’ were anti capitalist violent revolutionaries at that time – but the conventional meaning holds true too.

Old Mum
5 years ago

With all the ridiculous rules and regulations rapidly being introduced into our society, the ‘conspiracy’ theories actually make more sense!

anon
anon
5 years ago
Reply to  Old Mum

there really are a small group of people conspiring against most of humanity

and the masses still reject this as ‘conspiracy’ which is exactly what it is! inversion again then

binra
5 years ago
Reply to  anon

It sure looks that way but do you notice a larger mass of people conspiring to maintain unconsciousness – and aligning under whatever works – or promises to protect it (the unconsciousness)?

If being used and abused if the ‘price’ for a bubble that doesn’t have to face its own fears, conflicts and denials – then it works like room 101 in Orwell’s 1984.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

UK Column have done a lot of research into the background of this.
Check out the archives and articles here: https://www.ukcolumn.org/

JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

I reckon you are right, PD. I’ve little interest in virus-related figures, as they are blatant distraction/disinfo/psyop stuff.

mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

Something convenient is going on. Banks getting refunded. In terms of Covid it’s looking very much that no matter what we do we’ll get deaths in the range of respiratory deaths.

We could have had mass parties everyday and still seen the same amount. The guys from Israel were spot on.

As we’ve recently discussed the issue the error rate in PCR when prevalence is very low is adding to the stupidity.

But it’s becoming clearer that through whatever whispers were going on the need to keep the bubble going was paramount. And Pyrhhic.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

Unfortunately not. I’ve been researching the whole, vile UN Agenda 21/30 for the last two years. It incorporates the “climate change” debacle, Extinction Rebellion and Little Greta. The Global Action Plan, Great Reset, New World Order (UN’ s words not mine) needed a catalyst to kick this off and Covid was the perfect opportunity. This has been in the planning for decades, if not longer. All the usual suspects are financing and pushing for this. We mere proles are currently being conditioned to accept their new technocratic regimes, but sadly the majority think this is all about a disease, staying safe, and it will be over soon, won’t it, if they do as mummy government says?

drrobin
drrobin
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

On the topic of ‘thories’, what do fellow sceptics make of our English Dr Vernon Coleman?

A great speaker and some sensible points on mask wearing

https://youtube.com/channel/UCd6F39mg7LPUkw1BfiJDibw/videos

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  drrobin

He’s brilliant! Always worth a listen.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

So is Dr. John Lee.

Kristian Short
Kristian Short
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

You’re not wrong. Better get working on your social credit score!

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

https://fullfact.org/health/why-poll-gives-misleading-view-how-many-people-public-think-covid-19-has-killed/   Why this poll gives a misleading view on how many people the public think Covid-19 has killed 5th Aug 2020 Claim The British public believe that 7% of the UK population has died from Coronavirus, a number 100 times higher than the recorded-death reality. Conclusion This uses a mean average which isn’t appropriate in this context. Using the median, the average Brit thought that 1% of the GB population had died of Covid-19. The survey was designed in a way that could have encouraged overestimation. Last week, Twitter was awash with claims about how many people the British public think had died from Covid-19. “Scottish people think COVID-19 has killed 10% of the U.K. population,” said Toby Young. “The British public believe a whopping 7% of the UK population has died from Coronavirus, a number 100 times higher than the recorded-death reality,” reported blog Guido Fawkes. The true proportion of the British population who have died from Covid-19 is around 0.1%. These claims stemmed from research commissioned by consultancy firm Kekst CNC. The problem was that the way the data had been reported, using a mean average, rather than a median, misrepresented what the public really thought about… Read more »

DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

I assume the British public just do not question anything they see, read or hear?

Scots believe 10% of The UK population has died!

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

The Scots and exaggeration are not strange bedfellows.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I check Ms Sturgeon’s academic crdentials this morning. She studied Law. Now, it appears, that she’s making up her own as she goes along.

Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

I am reliably informed her nickname at Uni was Seaweed.

Even the tide wouldn’t take her out!😂

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Missed a few letters there. Oops!

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Don’t think “Scots” is non PC. “Scotch” (used to denote people) is but not “Scot”and “Scots” is the plural of “Scot”. Scottish is an adjective pressed into service as a noun but I don’t think even the Sainted Nicola uses it as a stand alone noun herself – preferring phrases like “the people of Scotland”,

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I think this blog just mixed me up with Doubting Dave. I didn’t mention Scots in any of my comments yet.

Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Bro you’re coming over as a little englander and lets face it they’re all a bunch of micro penis faggots. No need to lump people into groups, we’re all individuals.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Remember The Life of Brian?
‘You’re all individuals!’
Crowd (in sheeple unison): ‘We’re all individuals.’
Solitary voice: ‘I’m not!’

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Only A.J.P Taylor could get away with saying ‘Scotch’ meaning people.

kf99
kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Every time she says “people of Scotland” I wonder how long she spends practising in the mirror. It’s not normal speech. And all those little hesitations and asides – pure acting it seems to me

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Maybe they were hoping that 10% of the UK population had died?

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

So far, in Quebec, it’s around 0.0007%.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Mist people are incapable of understanding what a percentage is, let alone of calculating one.

TheBluePill
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Using the mean was misleading because the categorised buckets were poorly chosen (or deliberately chosen to mislead). However using the median is at least as misleading because looking at the chart, we can see that the median falls into the very top of the 1 percent bucket, meaning that a small change in results could have produced a very different median number.
So overall a typical response from a tilted fact check service.

Nick
Nick
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

The fact that
– nearly one third of people think that more than 6% of the population has died of covid
– by the median average, people think that about 1% of the population have died (which would be 600,000+ Deaths)

Is enough in itself to show how much the government has overplayed its hand in deliberately scaring the crap out of people, paralysing the country into a compliant, quivering wreck.

Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

The overestimation measured by the mean seems to me a pretty fair metric of the degree of Fear and Panic that I come across. It really is that remarkable.

Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

I’ve now looked at the article cited. Certainly, the distribution is skewed, and the median might be a better overall measure.

But – the article has an obvious agenda to overestimate the actuality of Covid – as seen in the following :

“At the time of the survey around 44,000 in Great Britain had died after testing positive for Covid-19, with the vast majority of these deaths having been caused by the disease. 

The true death toll may be higher still, given the potential for some Covid-19 deaths to have not been categorised as such.”

Of course, the actuality is that the way in which deaths have been recorded is far more likely to overestimate  the role of Covid in those deaths, whilst deaths from other causes have been underestimated. There is a growing body of circumstantial evidence to support this thesis – such as the sudden mysterious – even miraculous – decrease in mortality from other common causes.

I smell a rat.

Drawde927
Drawde927
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Fullfact, like other “fact checker” sites, does a fairly good job of debunking some of the scare stories, misinformation and quack cures that were going around in the early days (including pre-lockdown) – but it still sticks pretty closely to the mainstream media narrative of fear, panic and overestimation, which is the biggest “misinformation” of all.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Lies, damned lies and covid stats.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

Universities pay for security teams to check if students are following coronavirus guidelines‘ – One more reason not to start university this year if you can possibly help it. Any uni paying a security team to enforce Covid rules should not be given bail-out money. If they want to put themselves out of business, let them.

Let them eat cake!

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Imagine them knocking on the door of shared student house at three in the morning.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

I used to think universities were full of, or at least had some, intelligent people.
Their current idiocy baffles me.
It’s a long time since I was an undergraduate. Clearly a different breed of don now rules, with the brains of a bacterium and the resolution of a jellyfish.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

In which case you’ll know that highly intelligent people, especially brilliantly intelligent people, are thick as custard outside their field of expertise. Used to call ’em idiots savant, though I suppose that’s now out of fashion too.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I know people like that. My in-laws unfortunately are a classic example – experts in their field but would be unable to organise a piss up in a brewery even if their lives depended on it.

Ditto my parents especially my mother – great with business figures but has a low bullshit radar – unable to distinguish between the truth and propaganda.

Gossamer
Gossamer
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

We need more polymath/ Renaissance types. Not necessarily multi-talented geniuses. Just people with a wide-ranging intellectual curiosity, who recognise the value of interdisciplinary thinking rather than obsessive tunnel vision.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Universities are businesses nowadays. Bums on seats, not seats of learning.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

I’m absolutely dreading uni this year. Again students should be protesting against this but that requires an independent brain when it’s way more trendy to trumpet the identity politics crap with the crowd.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Young student types have fallen for all the bollox, young workers in public facing roles less so.

JulieR
JulieR
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

They would rather protest for Floyd than for their freedom

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Students, don’t go to university. Your degree will be crap, there won’t be any jobs, university it will be hell on wheels, so will your new job. You will come out owing £60000+ pounds that you will never be able to pay back. You will be working at an academic level that will be just above the level of the old school A levels before they went full retard.

The education you receive will turn you into a totally brainwashed automaton, incapable of any critical thought with a world view that would make a 5 year old look worldly wise.

At least give it a year and do something useful that might give you a better view of what you can do instead.

Kristian Short
Kristian Short
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Agree fully. A students work for C students and B students work for govt.

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago

Boris: “I am not a communist”
Nixon: “I am not a crook”
A communist in SAGE is pushing the masks nonsense. She wants total obedience from the population.
I didn’t vote for a communist government. It must be kicked out and replaced with a proper conservative government, as soon as possible!

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

Hear, hear!

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

But where do you find them? Maybe
Toby for PM.
Lord Gumption for Chief Justice.
David Starkey for Foreign Sec.
Anybody who can add two and two for Chancellor…

Cambridge N
Cambridge N
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Farage for Home Secretary?

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

Stick with Evil Pretti, the country need a strong psychopathic fascist to lead us through this nightmare.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

She’s pro-lockdown. Absent a convincing public display of contrition and a promise to donate all future earnings to a coronapanic reparations fund, the current cabinet must all go and never darken any door again.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

She hasn’t got the brains, just the nastiness.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

He’s pro-lockdown as far as I know

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Surely there should be a position for Icke?

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Future plans, with Septic Peg.

David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Supreme Leader!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

The MSM would crucify him!

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Peter Hitchens could do any of those jobs better than the current incumbents. Matt Le Tissier and Peter Ebdon for sport, Carl Heneghan – science.

sue
sue
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

can play ‘fantasy cabinet’ 🙂

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago

What we seem to have is an authoritarian government. Authoritarian: “favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom”.
Vs. communism: “a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed”.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

By that definition, what we have is an authoritarian population.

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well, I certainly can’t disagree with that, with the mask-lovers shouting at others. But without the authority at the top, there’d be no focus for that population – on masks or whatever the compliance activity of the day is, like stay inside, as it was in the beginning.

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

Oh, and I can agree about communism at least on the public transport front. It appears that the rail and bus networks have effectively been nationalised.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

I don’t wear a mask but have not been shouted at, the most common reaction seems to be embarrassment but it’s hard to tell from behind the nappies.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Some parts of the country are more inclined to psychopathy than others.

rational actor
rational actor
5 years ago

From the RJ Smith piece above:

None of these measures were debated or voted for, the Premier deriving his powers from emergency legislation, having deemed Parliament a non-essential service. 

The entire government is a non-essential service at this point, but what is really noteworthy is the lack of wailing and hand-wringing over this unparalleled arrogation of power. Contrast this with the treatment accorded to the Western media’s favourite punching bag Viktor Orbán when the Hungarian parliament actually voted him emergency powers for the batflu pandemic. It’s a dark day for Europe, democracy is dying, etc. We didn’t hear nearly as much about the recension of the emergency powers on 20 June, except that there was some grave head-shaking about the fact that the Parliament had also passed some of this emergency legislation making it easier for him to bypass the legislative function next time. It’s a bad sign, etc. I don’t like it either, but where’s the outrage about democratic accountability now?

Oh wait, Dan’s using his powers for good purposes just like Batman, so it’s OK. So much depends on who you are these days.

Cambridge N
Cambridge N
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

Seven enjoyable minutes of the Hungarian Foreign Minister, Szijjártó Péter, schooling Emily Maitlis on democracy and the rights of sovereign governments in 2018. I see the BBC turned off comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8itF62yIJg

Chris Hume
Chris Hume
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

He absolutely smashed her up. She is the most arrogant, snarling, condescending and horrible piece of work on the BBC, and that is a very high bar. I don’t particularly go along with Orban’s politics but I completely agree that it is for the Hungarian people to decide. A point utterly lost on Maitlis it seems. This guy is so cool and so unruffled in his approach. Brilliant.

mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

Wish there was a politician in this country who stood up to the media. By coincidence this morning watched BBC breakfast (I know !!!) and as the weather is perfect for sailing across the channel in a small boat today this is news. BBC advise and show that boat comes over, they phone the emergency service, the boat is towed in to the UK (why not tow it back to France?) , passengers are given masks (BBC emphasised this) (for once this might have a therapeutic effect as the masks will stop them spreading TB) and then shipped off to various places around the UK for “their asylum requests to be processed). And everything the BBC says is normalising this – every illegal economic migrant is “an asylum seeker”, how they are so brave packing women and children into dangerous overcrowded boats
Also whilst i am BBC bashing , they are already forecasting record temperatures today (in line with the global warming message of the Meteorological office), so dont be surprised that we hear that the record is achieved today (either by the thermometer on the tarmac at Heathrow or the one at Cambridge next to the greenhouse.)

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

I thought the global lockdown and the total destruction of air travel has helped cut carbon to such an extend that the planet was now saved from over-heating. How can the BASTARD BBC spin this out to mean we need to cut more carbon.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

They don’t need the global warming scam they found a better one.

mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

re my comment on economic migrants …… see Guido comment today which includes a wonderful Farage twitter video about “refugees” staying in a 4 star hotel at Hoylake and being shown around Anfield !!!

kf99
kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr
SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

Every economic migrant probably is an asylum-seeker. But asylum is only granted to around 10%ish I believe. They become refugees and the rest become “failed asylum seekers”. The way our law is written this isn’t actually an offence in itself unfortunately.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  rational actor

The big difference is that Orban has now returned those powers. Unlike our power-grabbing liberty thieves!

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Cf Cincinatus

Cambridge N
Cambridge N
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

“civic virtue”. If only….

DoubtingDave
5 years ago

I see The London Marathon is due to go ahead at the start of October 2020, but with only elite athletes, (the event) “will take place on a bio-secure closed course” oh good.

So much for the event claiming that it helps raise millions of £££ for good causes.

I am sure the advertisers & broadcasters will be happy, and that is what matters.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

The Velodrome?

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Bio secure closed course 😂😂 does ‘the virus’ not drift outside of the mandated corridors of air space? Comical. World’s gone mad etc etc

mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

they run so fast any viruses remain stuck in the vortices that follow the runners and then fall harmlessly to the ground …….. … . and dont expect a dead heat in the race … keep the 2 metre gap.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

They will be running backwards.

PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Mask compliant, surely?

Cambridge N
Cambridge N
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I once asked a Greek student, who lived in Marathon, how far it was to Athens. She didn’t know.

Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

In fairness, the EU has probably paid for new = roads between the two and changed the distance!

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Running a marathon in a face-nappy? I hope they have good medical cover.

Locked down and out
Locked down and out
5 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

You will have noticed in the past that certain athletes from beyond the UK run only for the money and others from the majority community in the UK raise money for charity. The crowds alongside the route look anything but diverse and just like those raising the money.

kf99
kf99
5 years ago

They’re already talking about a World record which is surely easy if you can design a special course totally unlike a proper marathon route?

Richard O
5 years ago

In the middle of a summer heatwave, with hospitalisations and deaths at virtually zero, and other European countries either not imposing or relaxing regulations.

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/08/06/how-face-mask-rules-are-changing-this-saturday-and-where-you-n/?guccounter=1

Places where you will have to wear a face covering from Saturday are:

  • Places of worship
  • Cinemas and theatres
  • Bingo halls
  • Museums and galleries
  • Funeral directors
  • Massage parlours
  • Concert halls
  • Libraries and public reading rooms
  • Community centres
  • Social clubs
  • Public areas in hotels and hostels
  • Aquariums, indoor zoos or visitor farms
  • Tattoo and piercing parlours
  • Indoor entertainment venues
  • Nail, beauty, hair salons and barbers
  • Auction houses
  • Veterinary services
  • Storage and distribution facilities
  • Premises providing professional, legal or financial services

I keep warning people that they will be wearing masks 24/7 for the rest of their miserable lives, but I get no response. It is as if they do not comprehend what I am saying, or are hearing different words altogether. Something has been irreparably broken within them at a very deep level psychologically. They have gone.

Eddie
Eddie
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Speaks of the high levels of trusted MSM penetration into the minds of the populace.

Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Yes, and this has been decades in the making. It goes beyond mere propaganda though, I am certain there is an occult element to this.

What I find terrifying is that exactly the same process will be used to enforce the vaccine. These people are sleepwalking into a nightmare from which they will never escape. And they will not even realise they are in a nightmare.

BobT
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I agree that people are ‘sleepwalking into a nightmare’ but there is something dodgy about the aol article you linked.

Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

Good spot, I see what you mean. The page rendering is strange to say the least. It looks like an amateur effort. I guess we’ll find out whether that list of places is genuine or not within the next 48 hours.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Anonymous Yahoo staff writer. Maybe someone with something to hide. 🙂

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

May sound a bit OTT, but I feel as though I’m on one side of a piece of glass looking through to a very strange world on the other side

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

I really do feel like I am having a bad acid trip that hasn’t worn off yet.
I am actually starting to hallucinate face-nappies on people everywhere I look.

ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Yup, it’s like Kafka, Orwell, Gilliam and MacGouan(?) got together for a bit of a chin-wag and then . . . .

ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
5 years ago

(Can’t remember who wrote “The Prisoner” – or how to spell MacGouan)

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago

Patrick McGoohan.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Speaking of massage parlours, The Main in Montreal (Saint Lawrence Blvd) has been putting up new 20 storey high condos since last year, three in all, just across the street from each other. One day last summer I was waiting for the local bus and I saw a man walk out of a newly renovated store that used to be an electronic emporium. I asked him what it was going to become. A nursery, he told me. I thought that was a good idea given that hundreds of people were moving into the area and that those with children would probably need the services of a daycare centre. Well, it turned the guy lied to me. It was a massage parlour, open 24 hours a day.

Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Still not worn a mask. I used to say i’d lie if the police harassed me about not wearing one but no not now. I’d say i’m not wearing it and fuck you. I’m not paying a fine, i’m not doing anything. If they want me in court they’ll have to carry me there. If they want me in prison they’ll have to carry me there also. I will not do what these communist facist cunts that are so useless they need a job given to them by the state want

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yes, I’ve thought what I’d do if the plod stopped me. I’d probably just say in a sarky tone ‘exempt’ and smile.

Presumably if they bang you up for a few hours and you still refuse the muzzle then it effectively proves that wearing one causes you ‘severe distress’ (i.e. more distress than being banged up). So they have to let you go and apologise for false arrest.

Truth is, round here they just don’t want to know – conspicuous by their absence. Seems like a deliberate policy to me.

And I’ve got a hunch that the government don’t want this tested in court – not the muzzles bit alone that is (different if there were other factors, such as threatening behaviour, involved).

I’ve asked the question many times before on here – I thought the Statutory Instrument had to be ‘reasonable and proportionate’? No way muzzles are ‘reasonable and proportionate’ – they don’t work and there’s just about zero covid around here. The law itself seems to me to be illegal. I wish a lawyer would comment on this.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

I had no choice when at the bank, but if this is for general shopping, then don’t take any cards or other id with you. If the police get involved (probably not, unless a row turns into a fistfight), just don’t co-operate. Don’t even speak. They can either arrest you (carry on not speaking, this isn’t worth the paperwork), or tick you off.

If you live within walking distance, walk. If not, leave the car in a different car park.

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Even if you have cards on you, can they demand to see them, or your phone?

Richard James
Richard James
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Their favourite trick is to lie.

They say that they “need to search you for weapons” (a lie) then when they find your wallet or purse, they rummage about until they find a debit card (unlawful, as they were searching for weapons, itself a lie).

Then they say “Is this yours?” and if you say no, they arrest under suspicion of possessing stolen property, if you say yes then they have the name.

Completely illegal as it is the “fruit of a poisoned tree” search, but they get away with it all the time. Look for the bas****s on YouTube.

Harry Hopkins
Harry Hopkins
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

No they cannot!

Please see the Corovirus regulations 2020:

http://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

Paragraphs 2 and 3 are clearly very explicit. I have a copy of these regs. about my person whenever I go into shops etc. but as yet haven’t had the need to show them. (which i would only do to the manager after I had made a fuss!)

Richard
Richard
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry Hopkins

Exactly – walked in muzzle free to Tesco today – busy seaside one – only me without and staff wearing more gear now than at the height of lockdown. However at least two or three other making very half hearted attempts with cloth covering and or mask half down. Another guy was really struggling and fiddling with his so took a chance and went up to him and said you know you don’t have to be wearing this – explained – he was relieved and said was feed up with all this bollocks ! Small victory but one by one we can get there !

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

You would face the ridiculous scenario (for both parties) of a police officer, who doesn’t have to wear a face covering, arresting you for not wearing a face covering.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Senior officers and the Police Federation said it was unenforceable from the outset.

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes, that would explain why they’re not getting involved. Maybe things will change if they come under central government pressure though.

Still, even then anyone with their wits about them needn’t get in any trouble.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Before this sh*tshow started, there was an item on the BBC about facial recognition. The BBC filmed as the police in London set up a trial facial recognition ‘zone’. One pedestrian saw the signs and covered his face before entering the zone. The police pulled him over. They couldn’t get him for covering his face, but in the end they got him for ‘disorderly behaviour’ i.e. they goaded him into getting angry then fined him £90 for that.

Here is the item:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oJqJkfTdAg

It’s doubly ironic now, of course.

Richard James
Richard James
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

“and apologise for false arrest” – No such thing. Sue them. Usual figure is 1000-3000 pounds. False arrest, assault.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I refuse to wear one too. OK, I live in Wales where we haven’t (yet) got this particular madness, but I do cross the border for shopping sometimes. The only places I’ve been stopped was firstly the bank (local branch closed over “Covid”) and I just told them no and carried on, and Booths Bookshop in Hay-on-Wye which is, er, in Wales.

JulieR
JulieR
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

If anyone want to fine me for not wearing a mask they will have to prove I infected someone. They will not be able to.

ikaraki
ikaraki
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yes! Am in full agreement.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

And the destruction of our high street, social and cultural life continues. The mandatory muzzling will ensure that all of the above go bust.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I honestly think that if the authorities said that in order to combat the virus we were going to have to wear masks in our own homes, and that we would be subject to 24 hour video surveillance to enforce it, most of the public would go along with it.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Don’t give the bastards ideas.

Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I thought when this was slipped in by Boris that it was only churches and cinemas . I didnt discover the full list until later. I normally do an evening class in September but sadly not this year . having to wear a face nappy in the classroom is not for me. This is a never ending nightmare.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Too much cookie/privacy shit to access site.

Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

See my reply to BobT below – we think it might be a fake article. Even if it is, I would not be in the least bit surprised if the list of places is close to whatever is really announced.

bobblybob
bobblybob
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

It’s a cut and paste article for local papers, same list here:
https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/face-covering-mask-new-rules-18731102

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Separated from friends,family and work colleagues then subjected to Government fear propaganda and brain washing techniques.This is the end result.

NickR
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

We had more deaths in 2017/18 from flu than this year from covid. This paranoia will just transfer to flu & masks are never going away. What fresh hell?

Allen
Allen
5 years ago

Anyone who thinks this is about a virus isn’t paying attention. Here are the average age of “Covid deaths” for ten countries: Austria 80+ years Source EMS Canada 86 years Source HCSC England 80+ years Source NHS France 84 years Source SPF Germany 82 years Source RKI Italy 81 years Source ISS Spain 82 years Source MDS Sweden 86 years Source FOHM Switzerland 84 years Source BAG United States 80 years Source CDC And virtually every single one of these individuals- if not ALL of them- had 2-4 SERIOUS comorbidities, the VAST majority coming from nursing homes, and would have died from ANY viral contagion if they did not get proper treatment- WHICH THEY DID NOT due to changes in policy. This is not a pandemic when the median death age EXCEEDS the normal lifespan which is the case in virtually all countries. Those who operate in the fear portion of their brain have fallen in line with a phony narrative that has as just a few of it’s immediate consequences: Massive Wall St. Bailouts Massive handouts to Big Pharma Increased suicides People under a version of “soft” house arrest Devastation of school systems that will benefit wealthy kids and… Read more »

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

So how come they are getting away with it? Time to tell them to buzz off and go play with their toys.

Rabbit
Rabbit
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

I think if furlough was stopped it would hopefully make a difference. It’s going to be tough and sad to see the unemployment rise, but I can’t see anything else at the moment that will wake people up.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Rabbit

There has been a tsunami of job losses since 15 June and it will only get worse come tomorrow. I’m beginning to convinced that there will be rioting between this month and October when furlough ends.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Something is going to give. Not even true dictatorships openly try to exert such control, not when it’s only five months since we were totally free. It usually takes decades for a dictatorship to get this far.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Agree. Its not only the job losses that will be the catalyst but also unprecedented bankruptcy, the decimation of several sectors and the enormous physical and psychological costs associated. People can only take in so much crap and once they wake up there will be hell to pay.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I like to think that but the govt and MSM are and will play every trick in the book to keep the sheeple scared and obedient.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

They can try but once enough people wake up and become angry it won’t work.

Rick
Rick
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I hope you are right but look at China and North Korea. Even Nazi Germany took years and loosing a war to finish that regime. Scared people are easy to manipulate and they police the rules themselves. This is where we are now. Some differences for sure but the outlook is the same. Only some kind of mass protest/violent kick-back has a chance and I can’t see that coming just yet. Once furlough ends, people will be angry but also even more dependent on the state. The jobs will not come back quickly even if we have a swift reversal in policy. So they can kick off but it will not change their situation. We are fucked. Up for a fight though.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick

I did tell Mr Bart that unfortunately it looks like the only way to end this nor is by violent means.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I think their motto now is if you at first succeed, try try again. And they will. Guaranteed. They just might give up for awhile and take a break but their longterm plans are still in effect. Don’t let your guard down.

binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

If enough people get angry they become a source of energy and control.
But if we use the force of feeling as a measure we have to match or exceed – to remove an allegiance, then we stand in witness that can touch others on many levels.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

But it isn’t a dictator who is doing this. It’s the people themselves.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Some of the people. We’ll find out how many are really scared or real zealots, and how many are apathetic and will eventually stop going along with it

DressageRider
DressageRider
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Actually the Nazi Party managed it in less than 3 years.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  DressageRider

They started by denying typewriters to ‘undesirables’, then their cars, then their jobs. . .

anon
anon
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

what’s happening tomorrow?

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  anon

Mandatory muzzling in museums, art galleries and a host of others. See Richard O’s post somewhere in this thread.

anon
anon
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

ah ok I saw the post. thanks

I’m really at an absolute loss with the people of this country. quite shaken with their bizzare compliancy with nothing more than fairy tales.

mass compliance, that’s the bit I’m really struggling with. out and about, I am almost always the only unmuzzled

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  anon

Same here. There are times when I’m in a supermarket and I’m the only customer unmuzzled.

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Rabbit

I hope you’re right. Furlough’s ending completely in October, and businesses are increasing redundancies in anticipation of that now. But the US doesn’t have a furlough, over 30 million have lost their jobs, and still most of the population seems to be willingly following orders.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Rabbit

Furlough is the key, Rabbit. Without that, this nonsense would have been over months ago. Fear of a bug is one thing, but hunger is a prime motivator. And hungry people are truly dangerous. Mad axeman doesn’t even come close.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Don’t worry, nobody will starve, we have food banks.

binra
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Who can do more than shout in a kettle?
They effectively own all our bases.
Our mind and genes seem to be their toys.
But then if we don’t want it, they take it.
We are baited by reaction into an invested identity.
By which we are deceived.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Firstly there has to be no compliance with the mask wearing madness. Secondly and most importantly we must say no to the genocidal vaccines that will be soon winging our way. The vaccines are clearly the major plank of this massive Covid depopulation scam and will clearly be a major health impediment. Vaccines have to be resisted with the utmost vigour and determination. Vaccinations cannot be undone.

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

“ would have died from ANY viral contagion if they did not get proper treatment-”

And that’s the crucial line.
I’ve had rows with people that in the UK once you removed the 20k old people who were In hospital (sick) kicked out back to the homes. They surprisingly died when the NHS closed.

Also the 20k excess deaths who did not even have “with” coronabollox then there is almost no deaths left that can be attributed. Died due to lockdown.

It’s utter nonsense

https://fee.org/articles/john-ioannidis-warned-covid-19-could-be-a-once-in-a-century-data-fiasco-he-was-right/

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

You forgot to add all those who died because they were too scared to go to the hospitals.
If we didn’t know about Covid then we would have never noticed it.

Wendy
Wendy
5 years ago

Yes this absolutely. No one would have noticed. Life would have gone on and acceptance of a much smaller than we have death. What we have done is just beyond bonkers.

Wendy
Wendy
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Add misery and loss in human relationships from care homes to hospices. Family not able to see loved ones at end of life, limited numbers at funerals. It’s this misery that makes my blood boil

karenovirus
5 years ago

Two lead stories in the county Local Live Online this morning.
5 further UK Covid deaths (yesterday).
No deaths in County for fifth week.
Yaaaawn

Judas Priest ? Nah, Anti Nowhere League ‘let’s break the law tonight’.

Biker
5 years ago

Still can’t work out what everyone is shittin themselves over, i really can’t. No one hates getting the cold more than me. I know for a fact i’ve had proper flu three times in my life, many colds but only three times the proper flu. A flu where i thought i was dying. Every part of my body hurt, i could hardly get a breath and it lasted for weeks. It’s not nice. I’m sure if i hadn’t been thirty five and really fit and strong and had been 80 it might have done me in but no one else in my house caught it, not my older wife, my 8 year old daughter or my new born son. We can’t be shutting down everything over and over just because a few cases of this virus. Why are clowns like Johnstone and Sturgeon still operating on the false belief that millions are gonna die? They are wrong. The models are wrong, exasperatingly everything they have done and are doing is wrong. Doing nothing would have resulted in the same outcome. When are some of the big guns of the Conservative Party gonna make a stand? I beseech them. If i… Read more »

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Of course we all agree. But we’re sane.

wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Have you considered becoming an MSP Biker.

Plans now afoot to provide some serious opposition to the Sturgeonauts next May.

We need tough, outspoken types like you to take her on.

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

It’s not about science now. It’s about trying to save face for the party.

If they turned around and just said crack on. The “virus” Was nothing,
They would get slaughtered by huge media.

So keep pretending they have it under control. Shameless fckers. All of them

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Should have done after 3rd week of lockdown which would have been a distant memory with ‘our Boris’ a hero.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

“If i were Michael Gove i could make myself a hero and take down the fat clown Johnstone by standing up for liberty and a return to total normal straight away.”

Sadly, that’s the only thing that would prompt any of them – personal ambition, not sense of honour, or any kind of sense. But hey, if it got us out of this shit…

IanStaffs
IanStaffs
5 years ago

Two questions. I am contemplating a shop visit today, it would be my second time out of the house since MoFo Mask Friday. Has anyone, when challenged by another customer, merely gone “Baaaah!” in response?
And I might ask them if they would hop 3 times upon entering if ordered to, so you know, to shake off any virus. Hopefully highlighting how ridiculous government rules now are.

EssieSW
EssieSW
5 years ago
Reply to  IanStaffs

Brilliant response! If anything, it will just stun them into silence.

I haven’t been challenged by anyone yet (staff or customers) and I have been to Lidl, M&S, the post office and the bank – but that will certainly be my reponse if/when I do get challenged!

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  IanStaffs

Excellent. Maybe just do the hop yourself, so that they ask why; “I’m shaking off the virus” “That’s nonsense” “So is your mask!” Then Baaah and glide away. 🙂

Rick
Rick
5 years ago
Reply to  IanStaffs

Tell them your parole officer has warned you to not engage with strangers because of your life licence for murder! Stare through them whilst keeping a straight face. Wish them a nice day afterward.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago

Morning! So, I’ve heard some ‘advice’ about singing in church. Apparently the government is of the scientific view that face coverings prevent droplets but not aerosol transmission so singing isn’t allowed in churches even if you’re wearing a face covering. Can someone tell me (or point me to the studies) what the difference is between droplets and aerosols with respect to Covid19? Surely if the government admits that face coverings don’t prevent aerosol transmission and Covid19 is supposedly transmitted through aerosols then what is the point of wearing one at all? The way the church as a whole, mine is independent, is going along with this is quite disheartening. Anyway, any help regarding the above would be gratefully received!

wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

How can one sing when gagged Kevin? Wouldn’t the attempt result in some serious physiological difficulties?

And the govt’s claim that masks supposedly prevent droplet transmission but not aerosols is just plain bonkers! And it puts the madness constraining dental practice in the make-it-up-as-you-go-along category.

Could you hold your choir meetings somewhere else?

Would there be enough support for you to do this?

james007
james007
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

I know a church choir that is rehearsing in a large garden. I think they are recording some singing to play in church.
I dont feel at all motivated to return to church services if these are the rules.
My son loves watching the band and the children’s group, I like having a coffee and a chat with people after the service. I like to see peoples’ faces when I talk with them.
I dont think anyone involved in making these rules knows anything about church services

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

I fear they do. And that is exactly why they have stopped them.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

If I had to bet, it would be that choirs will never sing again. And that orchestras with wind sections will never play again.

LuluJo
LuluJo
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

As a chorister, dammit we will find a way! My best friend runs our choir and it is her business, pays her mortgage and feeds her kids. The lunacy around singing is just beyond belief. She’s been pro-active with Zoom rehearsals etc and we are gathering in parks and gardens to sing together through the summer.

I despair of this scientifically illiterate government, and I fear for my friend’s livelihood, not to mention her sanity as she is stressed beyond belief. She’s now been told by one of the halls that she uses that their fee will increase by £40 per session (if they ever allow us to use the space again that is) in order to ‘deep clean’ the hall after we use it.

At first we were all determined to sing together as best we could to support one another and her business during lockdown. It feels like we’re now in a bloody fight for our rights to gather, sing and keep our choir community going.

james007
james007
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

This confused me too. I would have thought that sneezing would be the transmission route, and droplets from breathing far less so.
If singing is not safe with masks, what about sneezing? Are you supposed to remove the mask and use a hanky to sneeze?

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

The alternative of sneezing into the mask is quite disgusting.

Alec in France
Alec in France
5 years ago
Reply to  james007

Our hairdresser suffers from serious hay fever.

I leave the results to your imagination.

The mask Stasi would have a field day when they turn up to check. Quite a frequent occurrence apparently – she keeps the salon door locked between customers for that reason.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Thanks for all the replies. I think they’re still saying you can’t sing even with face masks on, you can ‘sing in your head’ or ‘humm along’ apparently. I’m flabbergasted that leaders are going along with this and not challenging the nonsense. They’re saying that music groups can’t meet since they’re not professionals, not sure about choirs as we don’t have a choir. Are there any studies on the difference between droplets and aerosols? I thought that the point of masks was to prevent aerosol transmission. It just seems to be so contradictory.

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Benjamin Britten’s Nocturnal for guitar as originally written had one chord that could not be played. When Bream pointed this out, the composer thought for a bit, crossed out one of the notes and told Bream that he should ‘think’ that note whilst playing the chord. This is just a simple extension of that policy!

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

“ so singing isn’t allowed in churches even if you’re wearing a face covering. ”
Check here and email them. They are Sceptic lawyerS

http://www.laworfiction.com/blog/page/2/

As far as I can tell they say you can sing all you want. No masks required. You are in a private building = no masks.

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

It seems all the rhetoric about not being able to open almost any building is nothing but guidance.
The law was changed 4th July.

My guess Is when the law suits start under the public health act they will them be able to claim deniability.

https://www.lockdowncompensation.co.uk/

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

It’s all crafty smoke and mirrors stuff. I posted the other day about the North West business. They announced ‘rules’ that would include not socialising in homes, gardens, pubs, cafes etc. People heard that and took it to heart.

Then they published the ‘guidance’, which sure enough lists the above places, but goes on to say “We will pass laws about homes and gardens…”

Then the actual law comes out, and lo, the only locations mentioned are ‘private homes and gardens’. But by now, everybody thinks you can’t go to the pub with your neighbour. They’ve done it this way all along.

YOU MUST READ THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION.

Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Hence Simon Dolan’s being told by the Government that they hadn’t closed schools.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Yep, “We never actually said that” or “You must have mis-heard”. They cover their arses, but they get a Borissy Bonus by getting people to do what they want any way!

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

It’s not aerosol transmission you have to worry about its ARSEHOLE transmission that’s dangerous with COVIDS.

Rick
Rick
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Aerosols are atomised fine particles think of a room freshener. It disperses over a wide area and can be circulated by air currents etc. No mask in use will be very successful containing this. Weaver of fabric to allow for breathing means the gaps are too big to stop viruses etc. Plastic bag over the head would but death an almost certainty. Droplets are bits of spit and larger ejections potentially containing large amounts of stuff including virus particles, skin, snot bits of food and bacteria. Nice. droplets typically fall to the ground within an arms length. We have evolved (you can insert ‘created’ if you must) to eject this stuff not catch some of it in an old sock and strap it to our face. The fact is the whole mask thing is snake oil quackery. Nothing to do with science. How about you turn up at church go inside remove your mask and start singing. If others join in great, if not leave your mask hanging on a pew and walk out. Find another place to do what makes you feel alive other will join you I am sure.

wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago

https://thecritic.co.uk/reality-has-been-cancelled/

Well worth reading, especially the final paragraphs, which reflect the dodgy strategies which have led to our Covid Dystopia.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

We’ve found a new name for Covid: Woozle!

wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Yes! The woozle bug, coming to a place near you.

We’ve been well and truly woozled-(well, we haven’t, in this oasis of sanity)- but the woozling has spread.

Woozle Gummage -Boris- needs to get a grip and unwoozle himself, or step down and let someone with a dash of conviction and moral courage take over.

Do such people exist?

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Probably not within the Westmonster bubble.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Where is our Christopher Robin though?

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

We’re going to have to stand in until he turns up.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

After going to the National Gallery last Monday, I was sent a feedback form regarding my visit to fill out.

For the life of me I can’t remember the questions but I pretty much answered everything in the neutral. However when I was asked if I had any other comments, I let rip and laid into their torturous one way system which wasted a lot of my time as I was unable to use my usual short cuts to get around, that I wanted to enjoy my visit and do not need them to make me feel “safe” and that I was not returning until all the “safety” measures have been rolled back and abolished. As a parting shot, I left a positive feedback for the staff who have been lovely despite the insanity they have to put up with.

Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
5 years ago

The saddest aspect of the tragedy in Victoria where a police sham medical state has been imposed is the absolute horror of the media. There is only one Victorian broadsheet the Melbourne Age and no dissent is allowed. All comments are ” premoderated ” and only those in praise of the ” great leader ” are pubished. It is the closest you will find to North Korea in the western world. It seems to think that the police smashing car windows of dissidents is a great idea. This week a 30 year old has died and it has been the main news in the Age to up the fear . There are plenty of Prof Michies in Australia. There is no mention of the multiple co morbidities as .. ” .this virus can affect anyone ” . Downplayed is also the fact that the number of ITU patients with covid19 in Melbourne has flat lined. Queensdland has just imposed a 2 week quarantine on people coming from Melbourne. The show in Australia will run and run because as the US shows this virus will play out in a different manner in those areas which are closer to the equator. Brisbane… Read more »

Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

I’d say that about 99% of my fellow Australians are, mentally speaking, gone – completely brainwashed, rudderless, lambs to the slaughter. I perhaps should have some empathy given the state of the media and our politicians but I actually feel that there’s not much excuse for an educated citizen to be so ignorant and gullible.

I live in a state that has 9, yes 9, active cases and everyone is acting as if we are in some major struggle with an adversary – “We’re going to crush the virus”. I was out and about today and noticed that it has become fashionable for young people to wear masks. There is no requirement or recommendation to do so, but they look like they are enjoying themselves. Very peculiar and disturbing.

mrjoeaverage
5 years ago

“13 Reasons Why” I get annoyed with this whole damn situation: 1. Masks are always worn in the Far East. Why does no one dare ask the most simplest basic question yet? If the damn things worked, why do we have a Covid pandemic? 2. Wow, blimey, we will probably hit 1000 cases or near enough today. They will likely all have no symptoms and are a result of targeted testing. Less than 700 people in total are in hospital in England. So roughly 6000 supposedly infected in the last week, and yet still, hospital numbers dwindle. What’s going on? Or is my maths failing me? 3. What are we actually testing for Coronavirus or COVID-19? 4. If the former, can this charade actually ever end? If the latter, I doubt it’s anywhere near accurate. 5. As face masks don’t work, can I wear a motorbike helmet in a shop? Do you still need a face mask? Can I wear a yashmak? Can you see a face mask under that? 6. If you can cure Covid 19, then surely you can cure the common cold. Right?? 7. Why are care homes always blaming Government when a vast number of them… Read more »

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  mrjoeaverage

Thirteen answers:
1 They don’t work, except for criminals and then not in the way they are intended to
2 The more you test, the more you find. This disease makes very few people ill.
3 They don’t know the difference.
4 It’s inaccurate and they don’t want the charade to end. They love the power.
5 So long as it covers mouth and nose, you are obeying the law.
6 No such thing as a common cold, it was Covid all along.
7 Because care homes exist to make millionaires more millions, not drain their dosh.
8 Certain politicians need crime, so they can be seen to be doing something about it.
9 Probably angling for a new job with the government propaganda service.
10 Because you cannot believe so many are so blind?
11 Clearly no such thing, we must fight for some.
12 Brits still believe that the rule of law exists for our protection. Wake up coming.
13 New political parties cannot survive until old political parties die.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  mrjoeaverage

Answer to question no 1 – they don’t work. East Asians tend to wear them as the pollution in their cities is bad and mainly as a placebo. The flu rates in China, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Korea tend to be worse than in other countries despite the mask wearing.

Not to mention they have brought a host of psychological problems especially among the young. Japanese mental health experts have detected a worrying rate of young people especially men becoming socially maladjusted as a result of wearing them even if they don’t have to.

John
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

According to Daniel M. Davis in his book “The beautiful cure” people from China and Japan have a genetic predisposition to having more serious complications of influenza (IFITM3 is the gene in question) whilst 1 in 400 Europeans have a non functioning IFITM3 gene. This gene produces a protein that interferes with the flu virus entering a cell.

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  mrjoeaverage

14. Why in Gods name have Local Authorities been granted powers to demolish houses on some phony covid pretext. Do ‘they’ think we’re stupid?!

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

Yes, they do. We (on here) know we are not, but there are more than enough sheep out there…

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

From a post earlier in the week they come from plans drawn up to fight an actual Plague outbreak, cut’n’pasted into the Covid regs.

IMoz
IMoz
5 years ago
Reply to  mrjoeaverage

Answer to 1: there are plenty of RCTs that say masks are useless. The only studies that argue for masks are exceptionally poorly designed CCSs done in China. And in one CCS they had oseltamivir phosphate (aka TamiFlu) and didn’t bother compensating for it! Of course, CCS is way lower on the quality scale than PCRs…

Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  mrjoeaverage

great question

6. If you can cure Covid 19, then surely you can cure the common cold. Right??

Jane in France
Jane in France
5 years ago
Reply to  mrjoeaverage

It’s not just the English. I don’t think masks are compulsory in the streets in this department yet (they are in some) yet nearly everybody is wearing one. I saw a grandmother pushing a trolley into a supermarket and in the seat was a masked little girl, probably no more than two years old. Getting her used to robots as early as possible since by the time that little girl grows up that’s what we’ll all be. I too can’t understand why people aren’t angry with what’s going on.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane in France

It’s because most people are barely functional idiots that have a reading age of a 7 year old.

Stevie119
Stevie119
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

When I was 7 I had a reading age of 13.6.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane in France

Just saw a mother with a young daughter in the street, the child was wearing an oversized plastic Guido mask, I doubt they had V of Victory in mind.

Michel
Michel
5 years ago
Reply to  Jane in France

I am angry! But it’s true…most people in France not only don’t seem to mind, they seem quite happy with it! Yesterday we were told to get out of a shop (Action) because my wife was wearing a visor instead of a mask…where can we find a country where people stay sane? (except for Sweden that has a few negative points on other issues)

Sylvie
Sylvie
5 years ago
Reply to  mrjoeaverage

1. Do the Far Eastern countries have lower death rates from CV19? Yes. Is that because they wear masks in crowded places? Who knows? 2. It’s political theatre. 3. Neither. There are lots of corona viruses. Covid 19 is Corona virus disease 2019, caused by SARS 2 virus. 4. There is a new serious lung condition caused by SARS2. It may be what finally carries off very old or otherwise frail people who get it. Just like ‘flu’ does (an umbrella term for a number of different viruses, in UK the elderly can choose to have a cocktail vaccination every year of the ones most prevalent that year), or ‘the old man’s friend, ‘ ‘pneumonia’ (any lung inflammation caused by bacterial or viral infection, in which the air sacs fill with pus and may become solid). Testing healthy people for SARS2 ought to be an interesting public health exercise to find out how many healthy people have been infected, with or without serious symptoms, and survived. Unfortunately it’s being used in pursuit of draconian lockdowns to bolster the illusion that this government is having a beneficial effect. 5. Wear anything that covers mouth and nose, classic yashmak might well be… Read more »

Jane in France
Jane in France
5 years ago

The GlaxoSmithKline factory is located in Barnard Castle. This from Craig Murray back in May. “On 12 April Dominic Cummings was seen in Castle Barnard during lockdown. Two days later, GlaxoSmithKline of Barnard Castle signed an agreement to develop and manufacture a Covid-19 vaccine with Sanofi of France.
Of course, that could be coincidence.” https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/05/why-barnard-castle/

tonyspurs
5 years ago

Even in these dark times the truth sometimes escapes

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anon
anon
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

seriously what is wrong with this man?

my take is corrupt arrogant sociopath

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Lol!

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Straight out of Monty Python. Or the Goon Show.

karenovirus
5 years ago

BBC R4 8am news.
Belgium is on the naughty step Spain’s been let off.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Why is there not more anger,we have government by decree via Twitter,scary times.

T. Prince
5 years ago

So, not a conspiracy theory after all…….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se9rkxUK8zU

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

I can’t remember voting for this….

mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago

I feel the need to reiterate what I was saying because I think it’s that important: It looks from the data that we have a death rate range for respiratory viruses of round 20,000 to say 60,000 no matter what we do. If we complicate that by changing how we deal with old people then even with that the numbers do not rise by orders of magnitude. This is most probably because there are many aspects and degrees of freedom in our society so that lots of effects compensate. One for example being what Farr pointed out, that the most vunerable tend to die off quicker hence the rate will always come down. We could have had mass gatherings, sweaty social pile ons every day and we’d still not make a dent in that range. And that idea was there from before the lockdown and made even more apparent as it went on. To cut the losses we should stop right now. It doesn’t actually matter if Covid-19 was properly attributed and the tests were 100%. Because if you didn’t know what it was you would probably get 80% of it right due to similarity with other diseases. And then… Read more »

peter charles
peter charles
5 years ago

Why does Johnson seem unwilling to release us from this purgatory? Is it one of these: incompetency, stupidity, hidden agenda, or even Insanity? Go for the most prosaic (AKA boring) reason of all- VANITY. Johnson must know by now that the lock down has been worse than useless, and so he is now attempting to redeem himself by going for ZERO corona virus cases. If he succeeds all will be well and his ego will be suitably boosted; if not, we are in for a long haul with mandatory mask wearing extended, local lockdowns being more broadly adopted; track and trace(AKA surveillance); and, of course, the endless waiting for a vaccine.

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  peter charles

Peter, the ‘Great Reset’ was dismissed as a conspiracy theory months ago. This on Sky Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se9rkxUK8zU

guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  peter charles

The irony is that zero is already well within the error bars of his tests. The real number is not zero (because that would be extremely unlikely) but he would have no way of telling if it was.

IanE
IanE
5 years ago

Hmm, as for Cummings and his trips up North, well, who cares, you say?

ME!

LAW-MAKERS MUST NOT BE LAW-BREAKERS!!!!!

Our only way to limit the stupidity of new laws is to insist on this. I am rather surprised that you cannot see this Toby – even over your friends!

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

IanE. I agree with you completely. I wrote when Cummings’ transgressions first came to light that I thought our host’s loyalty to his friend, irrespective of the stance on lockdown, was wrong. Others on the site also thought this.

guy153
5 years ago

Anyway this is politics not cricket. The accepted convention is that if you have the chance to get rid of a bad egg on a technicality you take it.

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

My view on this as well. If we had been able to nail Cummings back when it was an issue, there’s a decent chance some of the ongoing insanity we’ve had, culminating in masks and local lockdowns, might not have occurred – there are reasonable grounds for thinking Cummings has been a major driving force behind the panic within the government over the virus.

At the least it would have shifted the balance somewhat within the senior government inner ring, back in the direction of sanity.

guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

There’s a chance, but probably still a long shot if we’re honest. If they got rid of DC there’d be a big shake-up and we’d get some other bunch of idiots but they would probably go on acting the same or worse on this issue just a bit less shamelessly. Depressing. But I would sleep a bit easier at night if DC were got rid of.

Lorenzo Basso
Lorenzo Basso
5 years ago

Just listening to the latest episode of Spiked’s “Last Orders” podcast. The normally very robust and libertarian Chris Snowdon revealed himself to be a pro-mask bedwetter still worried about a “second wave” and a winter lockdown. Inexplicable and very disappointing.

peter charles
peter charles
5 years ago
Reply to  Lorenzo Basso

these people will only feel safe when the number of corona cases becomes negative

mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Lorenzo Basso

There won’t be a second wave. And in the winter we’ll probably see less deaths

Lorenzo Basso
Lorenzo Basso
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

I wonder if there’s somewhere I can place a bet on there not being a second wave. I think there might be quite a nice little windfall to be had…

That said, people are shitting their pants over single digit numbers of (asymptomatic) cases in a major metropolitan area… it doesn’t really matter if there’s a second wave or not if the government’s going to try and placate people like that!

mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Lorenzo Basso

You could do the Xabi Alonso bet with William Hill (I believe). The one where the guy had a dream that Alonso would score from his own half that season. A mad odds of a bet. And sure enough he won £25,000

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago

Right, the brain is turning slowly again. Thinking about Biker’s brilliant idea for Gove:

If i were Michael Gove i could make myself a hero and take down the fat clown Johnstone by standing up for liberty and a return to total normal straight away.

It has only ever been about personal ambition with these tossers. Whenever there’s a cockup or indiscretion, the knives come out: “Can I get the top job, or can my mate, so I can be his understudy?” Every time. If none of them do that now, there is definitely a hidden agenda that they’re all following. Not that we needed convincing.

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

There’s already been rumours of Gove manoeuvring. The first crack seemed to be when earlier in July, when there was talk of Muzzle Day but as yet ostensibly no formal decision, he announced that he was not in favour of the filthy rags being compulsory.

I always thought that wasn’t an accident or mere loose talk. He was setting out a position.

tonys
tonys
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Without a doubt and whatever his or others motives might be someone needs to act and soon.

Strange Days
Strange Days
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

See also Sarah Vine’s postings on Twitter and some of her articles in the Mail. A plausible interpretation is that this is a way of sounding out support for removing Johnson

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Strange Days

Yep, Vine’s announcements can be read as code for Gove.

Sylvie
Sylvie
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Presumably she’s Mason Mills, too.

mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

I agree. I think it will come much sooner than we think, probably before the Bank Holiday. You can see it in the mistake about PCR testing and the unnecessary lockdowns of places like Leicester. There are rumblings.

Peter
Peter
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Gove is totally in on it, always been an Mi5 lacky

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

I’m all for anyone taking down the man with leadership responsibility for this mess, and the sooner the better.

Gove, however is as guilty as the rest of the cabinet that has sat there and accepted lockdown, quarantines and masks. One collectivist, cowardly idiocy after another, with nary a peep of meaningful dissent, let alone the resignations that would be the necessary result of being actually meaningfully conservative. He’s also, by the way, as mad as a hatter as far as foreign policy is concerned and will almost inevitably get us into more disastrous interventionist wars.

If the replacement for Johnson is another complicit coronapanicker then the fight must go on, until we have a government that properly, fully repudiates everything done on this coronavirus since March and holds a proper inquiry. It must never happen again.

Never forget. Never forgive.

DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Please do not let Gove become the UK version of QAnon.

skipper
skipper
5 years ago

Has anyone seen that the Formula 1 driver that tested positive last week tested positive once again this week?

No symptoms at all, completely well, still testing positive, why doesn’t any of the media or experts things this is strange that such a large amount of people are asymptomatic?

The percentage of people with Flu that are asymptomatic is around 15%, yet COVID-19 is 80% or greater even in the worst affected age groups. This is a huge amount and surely an anomaly that needs to be investigated.

Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Ughh it obviously was a false positive

anon
anon
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I’m Brian and so’s my wife!

6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

But there are no false positives, none and if he crashed his car next season and was killed his cause of death would be listed as covid-19

skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

He must’ve had a least 4 tests now, and probably more due to the money involved in the sport and from sponsors. If it was one false positive, yeah acceptable, but this is now at least 4. What’s also odd is that he would’ve been tested in Austria and Hungary, yet these tests were negative, but UK testing he comes up positive. Does anyone know if we’re use the same tests as on mainland Europe?

Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

He should change his diet.
As long as he eats steaks and papayas, he will continue to test positive….

Hubes
Hubes
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

It’s ridiculous isn’t it. I’d be fuming if I were Perez. Completely healthy and told you can’t race because of some bogus test.
I’m glad Hulkenberg gets another shot though.

skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

It’s a bloody joke and we’ve shut down the whole world for a virus where the main symptom is having no symptoms!

DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Shhhh UK WHO will add that to the official list of symptoms…

No symptoms, you have covid.

matt
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

“ The percentage of people with Flu that are asymptomatic is around 15%,”

I’d query this. Surely the real answer is that we have absolutely no idea. We don’t have mass testing programmes of the healthy population when it comes to any other virus. In fact, we don’t even test sick people for the ‘flu unless they’re in need of significant medical intervention and it actually matters what particular respiratory infection is causing the problem.