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Northern Lockdown Triggered by 14 Extra Cases. Or is it Five?

Was the “surge” in cases in the North West that prompted the Government to impose a local lockdown on more than four million people due to 14 additional people testing positive? It certainly looks that way.
The ONS infection survey data showing that the number of infected people had risen from 0.05% of the population to 0.07% (still below the level of an epidemic), was based on just 59 people testing positive out of 116,026 swab tests over a six-week period. In the previous period, 45 people tested positive out of 114,674, which means the tipping point for a northern lockdown may have rested on only 14 extra positive tests. That’s well within the confidence interval so it’s perfectly possible that there’s been no increase at all and next week the numbers will fall.
If you compare the most recent week’s ONS data it shows 24 people testing positive out of 28,325, compared to 19 out of 31,542 the previous week. So a total increase of five.
Is this “the data” Matt Hancock referred to in his Twitter thread on Friday night when he announced the new restrictions?
No wonder some Tory MPs in “red wall” seats were furious when they heard the news. The Telegraph has more.
“They were furious. They were calling it an outrage. One of them was all over the place, screaming his head off,” said a Labour MP who witnessed the row unfold. “These are Tories who think Boris Johnson can do no wrong, and you could see the scales falling from their eyes.”
Sir Graham Brady, the Chairman of the Conservative backbench 1922 Committee and the MP for Altrincham and Sale West, said: “These new restrictions have been introduced over a large area, even though there are massive variations in infection rates. It is unfortunate that these restrictions were introduced so quickly and without consultation.”
Another senior Tory, with an affected northern seat, said: “I just think there remains a default position of extreme caution which jars with the reality that we may have to live with Covid for a very long time and we have to get on with life.”
To Open Schools We’ll Have to Close Pubs – Government Scientist

What fresh hell is this? In an interview on Radio 4’s Today programme this morning, Professor Graham Medley, a member of SAGE, said England would have to consider closing pubs in order to reopen schools next month. The Telegraph has more.
When asked about the Chief Medical Officer Professor Chris Whitty’s prediction that the country was “near the limits” of opening up society and “difficult trade-offs” will have to be made, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine academic told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think that’s quite possible.
“I think we’re in a situation whereby most people think that opening schools is a priority for the health and wellbeing of children and that when we do that we are going to reconnect lots of households.
“And so actually, closing some of the other networks, some of the other activities may well be required to enable us to open schools.
“It might come down to a question of which do you trade off against each other and then that’s a matter of prioritising, do we think pubs are more important than schools?”
But in the same Radio 4 interview, Professor Medley also said that the rise in infections in the past few weeks had mainly been among younger people.
“The age distribution of infections has changed, it has moved down into younger age groups and so it is likely we won’t see that increase in hospital admissions related to infection in the same way we did in March.”
In other words, the rise in infections – if indeed it’s happing at all – is nothing to worry about since young people are no more likely to die of COVID-19 than they are of seasonal flu. So, er, why do we have to close pubs if we want to re-open schools?
A reader has passed on a comment from a relative that may throw some light on why members of SAGE are prone to giving these alarmist, grand-standing interviews.
A close relative, a retired consultant surgeon, says that he knew several government health advisers during his career and that, with one exception, they were all “barking mad”. He also reckoned, from his experience, that members of government advisory committees like SAGE like to ramp up the bad news to maintain their own importance and because they thrived on publicity.
Meanwhile, Them For Us, the lobby group campaigning for schools to re-open, has helped organise a letter in the Telegraph signed by a coalition of academics and business leaders saying that schools should be classified alongside nuclear power plants to prevent them from being closed in a local lockdown. The Telegraph has more.
In a letter to the Prime Minister, the group argued that deeming schools as “critical national infrastructure” would help prevent them from being “unnecessarily” shut down where there is a regional rise in coronavirus cases.
“Widespread school lockdowns are an inappropriate response to local outbreaks and for the sake of our children and the broader economy, we ask that you now commit to keep schools open,” the letter said.
“Where a significant outbreak takes place within a school the only school to be the subject of a closure should be the one affected by the outbreak.”
No “Second Wave” in Sweden

Cases are continuing to fall in Sweden and Andres Tegnell, the country’s top epidemiologist, says Sweden has no intention of making face masks mandatory. The Sun has more.
Speaking to reporters in Stockholm on Tuesday, Tegnell said: “The curves go down, and the curves over the seriously ill begin to be very close to zero.
“As a whole, it is very positive.”
He also addressed the question of face masks, which the World Health Organisation continues to recommend people use when social distancing isn’t practicable.
“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport,” he said.
Meanwhile, Raj Bhopal, emeritus Professor of Public Health at Edinburgh University, says it’s time to reconsider herd immunity as the only long-term solution to COVID-19. The Telegraph has more.
In a new article published in the journal Public Health in Practice, he argues that the COVID-19 pandemic has put ministers in a “zugwang” which is a position in chess where every move is disadvantageous and where every plan must be examined “however unpalatable” it might be.
Herd immunity is when enough people become resistant to a disease – through vaccination or previous exposure – that it can no longer significantly spread among the rest of the population.
With no vaccine available for COVID-19, herd immunity relies on enough people in the population becoming infected to lessen the impact of the disease.
Prof Bhopal argues that even if a vaccine is found it may not work well for older people and those with underlying health conditions.
The side-effects from a vaccine might also be worse for children and young people’s health than catching coronavirus in the first place.
“Herd immunity provokes hostility and controversy as it is usually interpreted as allowing the pandemic to unfold without interventions. The concept needs revisiting,” his paper says.
“If safe and effective vaccines and life-saving preventative and therapeutic medications are not found, lengthy lockdowns prove impossible, and the pandemic does not disappear spontaneously, population immunity is the only, long-term solution.”
Financial Analyst Concludes Lockdown Pointless

My financial journalist friend who has made many anonymous contributions to Lockdown Sceptics has flagged up the latest analysis by James Ferguson of MacroStrategy Partnership. Unfortunately, it’s not online, but here is the executive summary:
What have we done?
The UK has effectively monetised its entire Covid-19 fiscal response budget, with HMG Treasury gilt issuance almost exactly equalling the Bank of England’s (BoE) gilt purchases, with the June decision to add a further £100bn of QE to the £210bn already decided on in March signalling to the government that their relief budget to date will total 14% of GDP. The OECD expects the impact on 2020 UK GDP to be -11% (-14% if there’s a second wave) and government debt has soared to 115% of GDP.
One of the reasons for such an aggressive stance was the £14bn/month cost of the furlough (up to 80% of salary for 9.5m workers) but another was the need to protect the banks from excessive defaults. However, UK banks are in far better shape than they were on the eve of the GFC. They have more capital, more of it is loss-absorbing and with far fewer assets to buffer against.
Nevertheless, the negative consequences of the ill- informed decision to lock down have been huge and some might even prove permanent. What a shame therefore, that now the first wave has passed, we can see that the loss of life was no worse than the 2017-18 flu season and that the course of the disease appears no better than in Sweden, which has carried on near normal (the OECD expects 2020 GDP -6.7%).
Conclusion: the UK lockdown, with all its attendant miseries, appears to have been completely unnecessary.
Hospital Deaths in England Fall to Almost Zero

To hear Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson talk, you’d think the NHS is on the point of being completely overwhelmed, so great is the “surge” in cases in the North West. In fact, on four of the past seven days, NHS England has reported zero deaths occurring in English hospitals in the previous 24 hour period. The days were:
- July 25th for the period 4pm July 23rd to 4pm July 24th
- July 27th for the period 4pm July 25th to 4pm July 26th
- July 28th for the period 4pm July 26th to 4pm July 27th
- July 30th for the period 4pm July 28th to 4pm July 29th
Of course, NHS England revised these figures as more time elapsed, shoehorning in deaths that had occurred weeks earlier and adding them to the daily totals. But the number of deaths reported by English hospitals in the previous 24 hour period is still a valid metric. During the previous week, there were three days in which NHS England reported zero deaths in the last 24 hours, so it’s falling.
Birds Bakery Disgraces Itself Again

Birds Bakery is in the news again – and not in a good way. Two days ago I flagged up the story of a worker at the branch in Arnold who had refused to serve a 94 year-old woman because she only had cash. Now, the manager of the branch in Radcliffe-on-Trent has been sacked because she accepted cash payments. The BBC has the story.
A bakery manager who paid for customers’ purchases with her own card so they could use cash has been sacked.
Megan Metcalfe, 60, said she did it to help elderly shoppers at Birds Bakery in Radcliffe-on-Trent, Nottinghamshire, where she has worked for four decades.
She said she took about 45 payments totalling £183, but accepting cash was against the bakery’s coronavirus policies.
Her former employer said this was why, “with regret”, they had to fire her.
It’s a tragedy when any business goes bankrupt as a result of the lockdown. But Birds Bakery seems so hellbent on alienating its customers that perhaps it would be cruel not to grant the company its death wish.
Round-Up
- ‘Join the Legal Challenge to the UK Govt on HealthPassports‘ – CrowdJustice fundraiser to pay for a legal challenge to the Government’s proposed introduction of a passport/health immunity scheme
- ‘COVID-19 is not an equal opportunities disease‘ – Nazir Afzal in the Mail argues that a politically correct refusal to face facts that minority ethnic communities’ genetics and lifestyle make them more vulnerable would be a shameful betrayal
- ‘Dutch government will not advise public to wear masks – minister‘ – The Dutch Government on Wednesday said it will not advise the public to wear masks to slow the spread of coronavirus, asserting that their effectiveness has not been proven
- ‘One Nation Under House Arrest‘ – Strong piece by John Whitehead of the Riverford Institute
- ‘Trader Joe’s wises up, reverses course, tells the leftist political-correctness mob “no”‘ – Good news from across the pond. Some businesses are standing up to the woke mob
- ‘We can’t hold our breath forever. It’s time we learned to live with the virus‘ – Strong argument from Harry De Quetteville in the Telegraph
- ‘Belarus president unwilling to accept additional terms to get foreign loans‘ – Those terms include quarantine measures, isolation and a curfew. Once again, Aleksandr Lukashenko proves to be a wiser old bird than his critics gave him credit for
- ‘Face masks make you stupid‘ – Strong piece in the Critic by Patrick Fagan
- ‘COVID-19 Poses Virtually No Health Risk to Athletes‘ – No, really?
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
Forums Back Up and Running
I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open. Initially, they became a spam magnet so we temporarily closed them. However, we’ve found a team of people wiling to serve as moderators so the Forums are back up and running. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

I thought I’d create a new permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (although it’s showing a delivery date of Sept 4th to 14th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from eBay here and an NHS exemption notice for just £2.99 from Etsy here (see above).
And don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
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And Finally…
I interviewed Rob Henderson for the Quillette podcast on Friday. Rob is a graduate of Yale and a PhD student at Cambridge who’s written some great pieces for Quillette, including “Thorstein Veblen’s Theory of the Leisure Class—A Status Update“. In the interview, we discuss why it is that upper middle class white professionals have embraced the woke agenda with such enthusiasm.
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With the future of our cities and our economy in peril, JOHN HUMPHRYS says: Let’s get to work on boom town Britain!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8582201/With-future-economy-peril-JOHN-HUMPHRYS-says-Lets-work-boom-town-Britain.html
John Humphrys—-made a career out of sneering at and insulting people. Please crawl back from whence you came!
Good to see you back at the top of the comments!
Boomtown Rats.
“Of the 137 Coronavirus-related Statutory Instruments laid before the UK Parliament which are subject to the negative procedure, 102 breach the 21-day rule.”
https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/data/coronavirus-statutory-instruments-dashboard
https://www.spectator.co.uk/podcast/what-s-behind-the-excess-deaths-statistics-
What’s behind the excess deaths statistics?
Lockdown.
The underlying approach is too convoluted and the statistics too unreliable to come to any conclusion.
https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/you-can-now-be-fined-jailed-and-assaulted-for-not-wearing-a-mask-28477/
You can now be fined, jailed, and assaulted for not wearing a mask
More
https://cbs12.com/news/local/florida-man-accused-of-firing-shots-inside-miami-beach-hotel-lobby-over-social-distancing
https://wsvn.com/news/local/police-man-allegedly-fires-gun-at-miami-beach-hotel-lobbys-floor-after-telling-mother-son-to-social-distance/
AND
https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/florida-man-accused-of-firing-gun-in-hotel-lobby-over-lack-of-social-distancing/
HawkAnalyst the the article you are referencing refers to The USA NOT the UK, do not want to put any more fear into UK based folk.
Lucky we don’t have guns here!
I’ve never really bought into the US rationale for mass gun ownership in the past. Now, if I had the opportunity, I’d be stockpiling guns and ammunition.
I understand that many are
Crossbows are legal though.
Yes. Interestingly, archery supplies, particularly crossbows went out out of stock very quickly at the beginning of lockdown.
With all the lunatics undermining, disbanding and defunding the police in the U.S., I’d but guns and ammo as well.
They would have been surrendered to “the authorities” long ago. And the snitches would have been having a marvellous time reporting owners to the SS, er, The Plod.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/31/herd-immunity-long-term-solution-covid-19-has-become-taboo-says/
‘Taboo’ herd immunity the only long-term solution to Covid-19, says expert
We know. Ask Sweden :o))
Police officer injured in mass street brawl after force called to break up 200-strong Eid street party in Ilford
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581617/Police-officer-injured-mass-street-brawl-Eid-party-Ilford.html
Yaaaaahhhsss go London
Just to put this in context. Eid is a celebration, supposed to be a time for family and reflection and to give thanks. Imagine having the police come in to break up Christmas dinner. Imagine how you’d feel, and then how you’d resent having to feel that on that particular day
The violence broke out AFTER the police interfered.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/01/police-clash-youths-eid-celebrations-frustration-mounts-new/
Blame the curtain twitchers.
“While we appreciate this is a time of excitement and celebration for some, the sight and sound of such a large group was concerning and even distressing for others.”
Yeah, well, the sight, sound and smell of my neighbours’ barbecue distresses me, but I don,t call the police to break it up.
Blame the curtain twitchers …
Who quickly metamorphosed into snitchers.
One good thing to come out of this whole sorry mess is the fact that it is highlighting businesses that are the absolute pits when it comes to how they treat their customers.
Birds bakery, by first refusing to serve a ninety four year old who only had cash, and then by firing a member of staff who helped elderly people to get some food, have demonstrated to any decent person just how hard hearted, utterly disgraceful and indeed completely unacceptable their actions are.
I normally wouldn’t wish any business to go under in these horrible times but in the case of Birds I will make an exception. In fact, I would go further.and say that anyone who shops in these establishments and who is aware of their disgusting behaviour is just like Birds themselves—beneath contempt!
Yep, ‘Boycott Birds’
I used to buy Birds cakes occasionally. Never again.
Pluck Birds!
Un-pheasant Pluckers
Well said. We ate there and bought our packed lunches there during a holiday in Derby last year. Never again.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87812
How Did Sweden Flatten Its Curve Without a Lockdown?
Smorgasbord,
Definitely.
Yep, just a couple of anecdotes from a plague town here in Manchester.
Had our bathroom ripped out on Monday after a long wait. Plumber’s wife is in ‘at risk’ category so thought I would get a phone call from him postponing further work.No, he tipped up at 8, fully masked and carried on. Me ‘didn’t expect to see you today’ Him ‘it’s all a load of bollox, it’s all about Eid!’
Close friend and hysterical covid nut ‘well, we’re still going to look after grand kids while mother at work’
Not much but…..
Good stuff. May be invite the plumber to take his mask off if you haven’t already. He might be wearing to be polite to you.
Had that conversation….
Off to my granddaughters 2nd birthday party today with all of her relatives and grandparents. Ignore the bed wetters and get on with your life. Lots of Tory MP’s from the North are starting to put pressure on Hancock and Co. E-mail them and tell them your thoughts. I feel we’ve reached a tipping point, it’s time to fight back before we’re all living on benefits.
I feel a lot better today Mike after reading posts like yours I did email my local MP (and member of 1922 Committee) a few weeks ago with some…..facts and figures. No reply I’m afraid
They don’t work for us anymore, T. Prince.
It’s a lot.
It’s defiance of tyranny and oppression.
It’s caring fir your family.
It’s the right thing to do.
Herd Immunity May Be Developing in Mumbai’s Poorest Areas
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-29/herd-immunity-seems-to-be-developing-in-mumbai-s-poorest-areas?cmpid=BBD080120_WKND&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=200801&utm_campaign=weekendreading
Around six in ten people living in some of India’s biggest slums have antibodies for the novel coronavirus indicating they’ve recovered from infection, in what could be one of the highest population immunity levels known worldwide.
The findings, from a July serological survey of 6,936 people across three suburbs in India’s financial center of Mumbai, may explain why a steep drop in infections is being seen among the closely-packed population, despite new cases accelerating overall in the hard-hit country.
“Mumbai’s slums may have reached herd immunity,” said Jayaprakash Muliyil, chairman of the Scientific Advisory Committee of India’s National Institute of Epidemiology, and the retired head of one of its premier medical colleges. “If people in Mumbai want a safe place to avoid infection, they should probably go there.”
New Delhi StudyGrowing immunity may also be behind the dip in cases in the capital city of New Delhi, said Muliyil, where a study in early July found that a quarter of the population had been exposed.
Epidemiologists generally believe that infection levels must reach 60% to create herd immunity. But exposure concentrated in the populations least able to socially distance, like slums, could still slow the overall spread of infection if those who’ve been better able to protect themselves continue to do so.
In Mumbai overall, new cases dropped to the lowest tally in almost three months this week, although the July antibody survey found only 16% had been exposed to the virus among those living in places where social distancing is more feasible, like apartment buildings and houses.
Hospitalizations seem to be going down in both of India’s hardest hit major cities, another indication their outbreaks may be easing.
Both Pakistan and Afghanistan seem to be close to herd immunity at least in urban areas, according to statistics and charts I’ve seen in the last couple of weeks (can’t remember the links, at least one was on Ivor Cummins’ Twitter page I think).
Both nations basically couldn’t afford a full lockdown even in the short term. The figures for Pakistan are apparently quite different (with less cases now) than in the neighbouring Indian states, so it’s not just a regional/climate thing (though it’s probably also due to different reporting and testing systems)
REPOST originally from peter t
-live (I think) protests from Berlin
demonstrating in Berlin against the pseudo -medical police state .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B7MoFME5zc
This is VERY ENCOURAGING.
The line goes on for miles. There’s potentially thousands of them!
yes it is awesome!
wow, that`s wonderful. Wish we could have us a protest like that here.
If only we had something like that.
We would if we could be bothered!
Thanks. Looks large and very good natured. Have shared onwards.
I feel uplifted watching this!
(was originally posted by peter t on the last article)
Thanks Peter t. It is a powerful thing watching others standing so positively for a cause we know is right. Perhaps why the msm are *afraid* to show reports from events like it. It looks very large. Uplifting as you say!
Germany does have an advantage over us – no BBC! – I do wonder if the life of your first born is how far our “Government” needs to push to get a normal human reaction from us all. The sad swallowing of all of the Covid 19 rules/new normal etc hook line and sinker from most of the population is very worrying. We KNOW that governments have lied shamelessly in the past – WMD’s,cash for questions,expenses scandals and the other years Skripal “poisoning” not forgetting the shooting of Jo Cox and the subsequent whupping very quickly into prison of the man responsible. In short politicians have been shown to be proven liars over the last 30 years so why would they be believed totally now? Sorry rant over, just despair at the naive UK public.
cheer yourself up and watch the protest!
there are thousands there!
Dare I say hundreds of thousands?! There is no end to the people… high tens of thousands at the very least.
I think so!
RT are also broadcasting LIVE the protest in Berlin:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_inV7Gy7U
there are LOADS of people there!
when the camera pans you can see how many people are there!
lady at the front with ‘for our freedom’ sign (and same in German)
There seems to be a lot more organised dissent and scepticism in Germany. There’s also a group forming a legal challenge to their Government’s response to the crisis, a bit like Simon Dolan’s but with a lot more support and funding.
It’s a pity the language barrier means that (unlike events in the US, Australia etc.) most people in the UK aren’t really aware of it.
Don’t know if this is going to get reported in the UK media, but with those numbers it will be very hard to present it convincingly as a fringe group of nutters and conspiracy theorists – though I’m sure the BBC will do their best!
Just heard it mentioned on the 5Live hourly news bulletin. All they said was the protesters weren’t wearing masks or social distancing!
How refreshing to see. Can’t see anything like that happening here. If it did, it’d be swiftly shut down by PC Peter Pisspot and his chums.
It will probably come as a big surprise to many Brits to see Germans giving an example on how to stand up for liberty.
and what a sight it is!
Not really a big surprise. They’ve been had once, so they know the script and are extra diligent as a result. Generally speaking.
Magnificent!
The MSM here in Germany are reporting on it in full-on propaganda mode. The camera lingers on the three skinheads who have turned up to imply that the demonstrators are all neo-nazis, the lack of masks and antisocial distancing is criticised, and the remaining news bulletins cover tiny demonstrations for woke causes in nowhere places in excruciating detail. Where masks were worn etc.
In the local shop this morning (5 in there, all non-masked) the owner was not a happy man. Somebody had asked him if he was more likely to give them the virus as he wasn’t English? His comments on blo**y propaganda and brainwashing were not suitable for any lady to hear. He has relatives in Manchester and said their feeling was that Boris was doing it just because he could and he needs to watch it if he starts to mess with Mancunians.
Never fear- we ladies love swearies!
Come into town, overall very quiet for the time of year. Went to the pub, normally busy for lunches, dead quiet, maybe ten people in the whole place.
Boris is shutting the country down.
The town is terrible with dozens of empty shops. I live in Cornwall the main shopping town and it’s dire despite apparently hundreds of thousands of tourists.
Do him and the cock have any idea what they are doing?
M and S nearly everyone in a mask apart from me and the staff!!!
Craziest thing is the ten percent wearing masks when not in shops. Baaaaaaa !!!!
Glad there’s someone else from down here on the forum – I’m a few miles just across the border into Devon. I guess you were in the capital of Cornwall?
It’s been disheartening to see muzzle-wearing here at almost 100%. Looks as if our Northern brethren are in the vanguard of the fight against this.
Charity shop capital as its becoming! Worst I have seen Truro in 50 years. Unless Boris wakes up by the time he realises we are not all going to die of this we will not have an economy left. I am back into the office on Monday after months working from home but 9 percent of the staff have gone. Tip of the iceberg if him and his cock of a sidekick don’t get a grip.
Hell, I am sorry to hear that. I love getting the bus to Truro for shopping, across the wonderful countryside. The cafes, the independent shops as well as the chains, now a ghost town it seems.
Foreskin of a sidekick, purely there for cosmetic purposes…
I wonder if the tourist parts of Cornwall will catch up enough trade now to last the winter.
I doubt that Truro is atypical of almost every other city in England. And Boris must know this, but doesn’t appear to care.
I’m not sure we are any better up here – I’m in Sheffield and in Sainsbury’s yesterday I was the only shopper not masked up. All the staff were too apart from a few on the checkouts. It was pretty depressing really.
Well it seems that the people of Keighley are doing us proud. See McNamara’s post of about 17:10.
The 10% wearing masks outside of the shops are the hardcore true believers. Nothing can be done to win them over.
It seems that everybody else is either coerced by threat of a fine/not wanting to be seen to be breaking the law or whipped into line by peer pressure. If we can increase our numbers even slightly, and continue to act normally, I’m sure we can win over many of those who just go along with it all for an ‘easy life’. After all, the more confusing the ‘rules’ become, the less ‘easy’ life becomes trying to follow them all!
I hope so but we seem to keep having false dawns before it’s snatched away again.
The MPs to date have been a disgrace how they will expect votes again I don’t know. They need to wake up look at the stats and get campaigning for normality and get us out of this nightmare of incompetence.
Couldn’t agree more. MPs have abdicated all responsibility of representing the people. I dare say there are millions in England who are against lockdowns and masks and yet there is a complete absence of MPs raising any of the logical questions all of us are asking on forums like these.
It’s an absolute disgrace.
Thank you for saying this…I was starting to think it was only me thinking this!
Hancock and Boris are getting away with this bllx because Parliament is on recess, they are not being held up to scrutiny by the MPs.
This being different to before the recess started in what way, exactly?
from above, Raj Bhopal, emeritus Professor of Public Health at Edinburgh University;
”Prof Bhopal argues that even if a vaccine is found it may not work well for older people and those with underlying health conditions…”
erm…. so any new vaccine may work on people who are not particularly vulnerable to the nasty cough but may not work on people who are vulnerable to the cough…
Yes, but there is that ‘may’ again (just can’t avoid those Mays, can one – and now there is to be a Sir to boot). It may never be found; it may be useless; it may turn everyone who takes it into a genius-level, very long-lived, exceptional athlete. Of course it ‘may’ not do any of those things!
so the vaccine may be a damp squib
Or, simply, never found!
inject the sheeple anyway, (may) release them from their fear
SARS-CoV-2 is a Coronavirus. So is the Common Cold. There will never be a vaccine for the Common Cold; why should COVID-19 be any different?
It won’t be.
You may be right.
Possibly.
But we’re all supposed to rush out and have it to protect the vulnerable, apparently.
This is the angle they’re gonna go for.
And I say fuck that, because I don’t come into contact with anyone over 70 on a daily basis and I’m very unlikely to. Neither do I work with old dudes. So no thanks, I shall be protecting myself first from big pharma negligence.
What’s the age range for ‘old dudes’?
Presumably what it is for the flu vaccine
Oh you mean personally?
Those who have very increased chance of dying from it. 70+
Meanwhile, Raj Bhopal, emeritus Professor of Public Health at Edinburgh University, says it’s time to reconsider herd immunity as the only long-term solution to COVID-19. Err…. I thought we already had herd immunity. At least, that’s what many of your cited experts have been saying. Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxford) was suggesting we might have been close to herd immunity back in March. This was always complete nonsense. We are nowhere near herd immunity While I accept prior T cell immunity is a ‘small’ factor, it’s not a credible explanation for the fact that none of my friends, acquaintances, family or neighbours have contracted the virus yet large clusters continue to pop up around the country. The likely reason is that large swathes of the country have not been exposed – yet. Was the “surge” in cases in the North West that prompted the Government to impose a local lockdown on more than four million people due to 14 additional people testing positive? It certainly looks that way. Partly – but there is a trend. The “positivity” rate for the most recent 2 week period (July 13th to July 26th) is 0.09%. I assume this is consistent with the overall pillar… Read more »
Not in my neck of the woods sadly.
There’s one other piece of Covid-News which upset me. According to a report in the -paywalled – Times, SAGE advisers proposed on July 2nd that the Army should be ‘on standby’ to intervene, that is: called in should violence erupt at a number of possible demos:
“The potential disorder could be on a greater scale than the summer riots that spread across England in 2011, massively increasing the threat to public health from coronavirus, it said.” ( https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-raves-and-protests-may-need-army-advisers-warn-jsbk5svn5 )
That they can even think of such contingency, never mind actually proposing it, should send shudders down everyone’s spine – especially since Johnson is utterly in thrall to SAGE.
I’m so confused over the stats. There’s ONS, NHS, DHSC, PHE…R rates, positive tests, cases, suspected cases, hospital admissions, deaths in hospitals, home, care homes.
I genuinely have no idea whether no people are sick or dying, dozens, hundreds, thousands.
I get that you can select stats to prove whatever point you want, but has anyone got a grip on what is closest to the actual truth please? I need to have some “go to” sources to send people to so I can convince more people to our side!
My favourite analysis site is inproportion2.talkingy.com. The most reliable (and internationally comparible) indicator is probably ONS all-cause mortality.
That as well
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
OK. It is initially confusing. But the fog clears after a bit of excavation to reveal some simple principles.
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
The ONS do random(-ish) surveys of households and can probably be trusted the most.
Any result that tells you number of positives without telling you the number of tests and whom they tested (was it random, or anyone who turned up, or anyone in hopsital etc.) is literally meaningless.
I’m not as skeptical about PCR tests as some here– I think they work with about 70% sensitivity and 95% specificity at finding SARS2 and that SARS2 does cause Covid-19. But with prevalence as low as it is now is that makes them practically useless– how you do you find the <1% of real cases out of 5% false positives?
R is about 1 and will be forever and we should not be surprised by this. We have no way of measuring it or even estimating it that is more accurate than the a priori assumption that it’s about 1.
The most reliable thing to look at for a quick check of what’s going on is deaths on Worldometers (bearing in mind that people take a few weeks to die). That data’s far from perfect too but is the best we have.
Guy, thanks for the clarity of your posts. I asked a similar question on the last page, but then we switched to here, so will ask again in case anyone, like me, is confused by the positives. Which of the tests can tell the difference between Covid-19 and any other coronavirus (as in a cold)?
A well designed PCR test (and I have designed hundreds) will be selective for just the sequence you are looking for, and should certainly not pick up other coronoviruses.
That said they are not perfect. PHE estimates specificity at 99.9% (i.e. 1:1,000 false positives), which I think is reasonble (or at least feasible). I think it is much closer to that than the 95% cited above. If it were 95% then there would have been 10,350 positives yesterday out of the 207,000 pillar 1 & 2 tests. There were 880; a 99.9% specificity would mean around 200 were false positives.
(note the bizzare local lockdown decisions are based on opinion-poll like modelling of results from much smaller numbers of tests carried out on behalf of the ONS).
The PCR tests are looking directly for genes that are known to be unique to SARS2 out of all known coronaviruses so I would not expect that to be a big source of false positives.
But I did read somewhere about the WHO relaxing their criteria for how many genes to match on, but I can’t find it now. I still doubt that this is the biggest source of false positives with the PCR test (which is low, it’s just that with prevalence so low it needs to be really low to get meaningful results).
The best site for a clear, concise analysis of the facts all in one place is Swiss Policy Research:
https://swprs.org/
They’ve just added an August update. This is the site that the governments don’t want you to see.
The ONS weekly spreadshhet is probably the most reliable, there is an additional page that compare the ONS and NHS England stats. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
PS basic charts of the ONS stats
http://djclark.co.uk/WuFluPanic.html
My problem with the ONS is that they will count any death where SARS-CoV2 is mentioned on the death certificate, irrespective of whether that is the cause of death.
There is also the problem that excess deaths will be reported as being “as a result of SARS-CoV2”, rather than the more probable cause of health service shutdown.
Don’t be.(Practically) nobody is dying. (Practically) nobody is being hospitalised.
It’s all good.
Used to be Hector Drummond blog but he’s taking a break.
Now … I don’t have the figures in front of me, but I think that the statement : “ young people are no more likely to die of COVID-19 than they are of seasonal flu.” is too favourable to the government narrative.
I think that for the younger age-groups, deaths from Covid are less than for seasonal ‘flu.
yes, that is what I understood as well.
Yup. That’s why it’s a common cold not the flu which would be worse.
Yes, there is a stark contrast with the Asian flu epidemic of 1957/8 where several thousand children and young people died.
I was watching a Stephen King short yesterday. 2 Folks visiting an area of London where the barrier between ‘dimensions’ had worn thin and leakages kept occurring to, and from, the dark dimensions. It seems that these ‘worn’ patches have spread to include most of Britain (and, indeed, most other countries as well).
As I said to my wife,no explanation is too far fetched or outlandish anymore.
Another excellent Lockdown Skeptics, thank you Toby for keeping me sane.
Now Chris Whitty talks as if he, not Boris, is Prime Minister, dictating that lockdown cannot be eased and Boris dares not squeak a word of his own in front of him.
This is the same Chris Whitty who knew the infection rate was falling when we entered lockdown in March and, 2 weeks later, knew that the effects of lockdown (lockdown, not the virus) could result in 200 000 deaths (according the report Toby unearthed).
Knowing that, Chris Whitty is campaigning to make those deaths a reality by extending the unnecessary lockdown.
It looks to me that no only should he be sacked, struck off and barred from any public role, but that a serious enquiry with serious consequences is needed. Its because he, and similar sage members, are unaccountable, unelected and incredibly arrogant that they can get away with it. This needs to change.
He must have been offered a knighthood.
Looks like he could do with a night out.
Oh I’d love to know what bribes these bitches have been offered to stay on the leash. Research funding until they retire I presume.
It’s because the politicians have practically no scientific or medical background among them, so these charlatan ‘medical advisors’ just say whatever they think will give them the most publicity and the politicians say, ‘Yes, no problem guv’.
I am itching to read about dozens of class action lawsuits flooding the courts in the coming weeks and months.
I’m not sure Whitty is so arrogant. He’s often looked very uncomfortable while delivering the party line and sometimes let the truth slip out.
It’s very possible there’s some sort of blackmail being employed and not just in his case. Big Pharma excel at that sort of pressure.
Threat to family – easy.
He’s been a huge disappointment. Vallance looks like he’s the one holding the pistol pointed at Johnson’s back (those dead eyes are really beginning to bother me, especially when they’re above a mask) but I’ve been half expecting Whitty to break ranks for months now. But… no dice. Jenny Harries is a little better, but it’s marginal. The medics, to be fair, have been fairly consistently at least ever so slightly better than the ‘scientists’. Still far from good enough.
Pharma=Medical Mafia. Legalized Drug Pushers.
Must have been offered cash in several brown envelopes.
That’s the sort of thing that happens in Third World countries.
Excellent rules – and there are plenty of on-line options other than Amazon. I’ve bought my daughter books from Wordery recently, for example.
If you want some sanity – come to North Wales for a break. I travelled from North-East Wales to the north coast yesterday. Hundreds of families enjoying the vast swathes of sand, and I did not see a single mask all afternoon! And we don’t have obligatory masks in shops.
How long this will last, I don’t know, but enjoy it while you can!
How many of you are using the forums? We have so many great discussions, with some really knowledgeable info shared, and then it vanishes with each day’s update. Would it be a good idea on stuff where we are taking action, writing letters, etc to put it in the forum (or copy it to the forum), then we can find it again? I’ve woken up this morning and I don’t think I’ve ever been so livid, not in the headless chicken kind of way, but cold hard anger, somebody needs to go to prison for this absolute travesty. We are destroying our country and civil society, we’re hurting children, the old and frail, causing widespread poverty, and the level of interference in our private lives has just got to stop. I am the boss of me, I’m in charge of my life, my freedoms are inalienable, not in the gift of this shower of sh*t. Even her Majesty’s Opposition don’t oppose, that’s their job, to the be the brake, they are as invested in a second wave as the rest of the arse covering b@stards. F**k them. From what I’m reading GPs, schools, HSE, Environmental Health, Local Authorities, retailers etc… Read more »
Indeed; I still glance at forums, but the contributions are so numerous these days I can’t follow and don’t contribute.
Thematic organisation would be positive.
I did make an attempt to use the forums here a few weeks ago, along with the Lockdown Truth one https://www.lockdowntruth.org/forum but neither of them have really gained “critical mass” so I’ve gone back to posting here where most of the activity is.
Yes Lockdown Sceptics has its own forums, just thinking for topics where we are taking action, or there is info we need to refer to again, it would be easier to find stuff there?
It would.
Topics we’re taking action on sure.
I’d also find it very useful to have sections for many areas – an improved version of the ‘contents’ section Toby has here.
Beyond said contents section, information being spread across daily entires from Toby. They’re a great read. He’s done so much work collating. If only it could be pulled together – in a site section or in forums contributors can add to.
Sections such as…
Statistcs – (various sections) Toby references numerous, and contributors have sent many over the years.
Science – studies of mask wearing; studies/stats regarding immunisation/treatment SARS-CoV-2 & postive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses (a little science doesn’t go amiss when making a point).
Protests – (reports, planned, or individual etc)
Media – e.g. videos from doctors (I see one posted)
etc.
Though as the forums are so busy, none of us will read this or do anything….says hole-in-my-bucket-Henry.
I also wonder of the value of folk all using twitter, or do people select a different anonymity level here so would be concerned to?
Only it might be somewhat easier to follow and more use having the discussion in public where some of the excellent comments might go viral.
That said, Toby does attract a surprising number Trolls, so we might inherrit their vile outpourings.
I’m slow today – see whatyou mean. I hadn’t even realised there were forums here. Maybe
Could Toby highlight using them it in an article?
I tried searching (search at top of this page) to see what conversation was had on here about Dr Bobo Schiffman in view of his video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZocneYh4Mw
The search on this site returns nothing, yet a google search returns a link to someone mentioning it on 30th July. I realise now it was in the forums….
https://forums.lockdownsceptics.org/viewtopic.php?t=11
Spot on.
Agree with everything you’ve said 100%.
A thread on the forums of sample letters to MPs, shops etc would be good – people are posting great ones here but it would be good to have them all in one place so they are easier to find!
Yep. I do.
“The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.”
Has anyone any positive experiences of opticians? Name any good ones high street ones if there are any. I need new specs in a hurry! Thanks
ME TOO. And I still haven’t worked up the balls (or the time off) to go…..
Specsavers Lewes (sorta local) we’re good with eye test and spec selection.
did they muzzle and distance you?
I just sent this to Sir Graham Brady (I’ve emailed about three or four times since lockdown but never received a response) Dear Sir Graham, This is now the third or fourth time that I have emailed you as chair of the 1922 Committee with respect to the unnecessary lockdown that this country has experienced since March. Imagine my dismay, when I awoke yesterday morning where I live near Keighley, to hear that Matt Hancock had disrespectfully Twittered that the North West was going to be locked down again because of an apparent surge in covid19 cases. Aside from the fact that announcing this on Twitter with three hours notice on the eve of Eid, among other things, shows a great deal of contempt for the people living in the area, the reason for this local lockdown is completely unfounded. If tests increase, cases increase, but deaths are going down or are virtually zero and this is a good thing and ought to be celebrated. Instead, we have more fear mongering. Besides, it would appear from ONS data that there have been very few extra cases over a six week period. There is no surge or spike or second wave in the North West, it… Read more »
What’s his email address? I want to write to him too. Well done.
altsale@parliament.uk
Thanks, done!
Great email!
Superb stuff. Could also include what e should eat, wear we can holiday and how we should travel about.
“Another senior Tory, with an affected northern seat, said: “I just think there remains a default position of extreme caution which jars with the reality that we may have to live with Covid for a very long time and we have to get on with life.””
A welcome glimmer of dawning sanity in at least one of our Morons of Parliament, at last.
I’m a frog and I’m being boiled!
At least you’re aware of the fact and looking for a way out.