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Marc Chagall’s illustration for Dead Souls

Zugzwang, a reader of Lockdown Sceptics (not his real name, obviously), has written a great essay which I’m publishing today. The opening three paragraphs set the scene:

The anti-hero of Gogol’s Dead Souls, Pavel Ivanovich Chichikov, had his reasons for cultivating the nobility of a provincial Russian backwater, and buying from them, for a nominal sum, those of their serfs who happened to be dead. This saved the vendors an amount of poll tax (which continued to be payable for some time after death) and transformed Chichikov himself into a gentleman proprietor of some 400 serfs, potentially capable of raising a large loan on these assets and eloping (presumably under another name) with the Governor’s daughter.

When I first read Gogol, I found the whole idea totally obscure and mystifying, and I’m not sure that he ever spells out in words of one syllable how Chichikov’s business model is supposed to work. There’s a highly respectable view that the whole thing was always intended as pure shaggy-dog, and it’s only fitting that it breaks off in mid-sentence, as an act of Shandyean surrealism.

Compared with the COVID-19 mortality statistics, however, Gogol provides us with a paradigm of lucidity. Chichikov had found a way of monetising actual serfs who merely happened to have died. We have a Government agency, Public Health England, which seems to be busy manufacturing statistical deaths, to no purpose that makes even Chichikovian sense.

He then goes on to disect the official Covid death data and can discover little rhyme or reason:

Since July 17th, the daily death statistics from PHE have not been published directly by the Government, which is currently “investigating” them. But they do go on being input into the Government’s coronavirus dashboard, which is fed by PHE. Not only that, they continue to illustrate the official thesis that while the virus may be on its way out, it is going very, very, slowly. The rolling seven-day average number of deaths per day on July 26th was 66, holding its own with 68 the week before. No decline recorded at all – and 444 deaths reported by PHE in the week ending July 24th.

The thing is, though, that it is entirely mysterious where these deaths are occurring. For the week to July 24th there have so far been zero deaths reported in Scotland and Northern Ireland and just one in Wales. In the hospitals of England, the total recorded deaths (according to the NHS) were 67. So we have 376 unaccounted for (85% of them).

I’ve given it pride of place on the right-hand menu under “Are Sceptical Voices Being Suppressed?” Worth reading in full.

America’s Frontline Doctors

A group of sceptical doctors in the US, including Dr Dan Erickson, one of the two Bakersfield doctors, held a press conference on the steps of the US Supreme Court in Washington yesterday in which they talked a great deal of sense. They pointed out, among other things, that the lockdowns across the US are causing more harm than they’re preventing, that COVID-19 is treatable and that the vast majority of the population, e.g those under 65 without any co-morbidities, aren’t at risk from the disease.

Needless to say, America’s tech giants quickly moved to suppress the information. Breitbart News posted a video to Facebook yesterday which became the top-performing Facebook post in the world before the social media company removed it, and YouTube and Twitter removed footage of the press conference too. You can still view it on Breitbart, however.

The same group organised a second event yesterday at which they sang the praises of Hydroxychloroquine. If YouTube has taken it down by the time you click on this link, you can find the information at AmericanFrontlineDoctors.com.

Cat Tests Positive For Coronavirus

Patch feels gloomy after losing her sense of taste and smell

Oh no! Time for another panic. A cat has tested positive for COVID-19. The BBC has the story, although for once the news organisation is trying to tamp down the hysteria.

A pet cat has tested positive in the UK for the strain of coronavirus that is causing the current pandemic.

Experts say it is the first confirmed case of infection in an animal in the UK but does not mean the disease is being spread to people by their pets.

It’s thought the cat caught coronavirus from its owner, who had previously tested positive for the virus. Both have now recovered.

Health officials stress the case is very rare and no cause for alarm.

Reminds me of the story about the goat testing positive in Tanzania. The President, Dr John Pombe Magufuli, promptly sacked his chief health advisor, taking this as evidence that the test being used was unreliable. I wonder if the Covid cat might also be a false positive? The BBC doesn’t record whether the moggy was retested to confirm the initial diagnosis.

Heart-Rending Stories

I’ve been sent a harrowing story by a reader who works for a cancer charity.

I don’t know if this story is helpful to you at all, but I work for a national cancer charity answering support calls. I had an extremely distressing call the other week from an 90 year-old lady whose 69 year-old daughter who was in a hospice due to her advanced cancer.

The lady told me that she hadn’t seen her daughter for months – since lockdown was imposed – and knowing her daughter didn’t have long left she drove to the hospice, desperate to see her, only to be refused at the front door. Worse still, she said she was verbally reprimanded by the manager for trying to come in and told that she was putting herself and everyone else at risk.

Her daughter died a few days later. She never got to say her goodbyes….

On the phone to me, the lady was emotionally distraught, crying inconsolably. She also told me that she lives alone and had been self-isolating herself since February, which she has really struggled with as well. I have been supporting cancer patients for many years and never been lost for words, but on this occasion I was. I just felt so angry inside.

The prevention of people being able to say goodbye to their loved ones is, for me, one of the most shockingly under-covered stories throughout this whole lockdown. I’m sure this is not a one off….

And another reader sent me this story. Pretty awful, too.

I have a rather depressing story told to me by a close friend.

Her grandmother died in hospital at the start of lockdown and sadly, having tested positive for COVID-19 and locked in a Covid ward, she was not able to see her family in her final days. As it happens, the cause of death was certainly not Covid as she had been struggling with cancer for some time.

Upon trying to recover the grandmother’s belongings, however, my friend’s family were told that they were missing. The items’ total value was a sizeable four-figure sum as she had been wearing her jewellery at the time of her death. After months of wrangling with the hospitals and fears the items had been stolen, they finally received a concrete response.

The hospital said that at the time of the grandmother’s death, guidance for dealing with Covid patients’ property had not been set up, leading to large build-ups of personal property at the hospital. When guidance did materialise it stated that personal clothing (at the time, it has since changed), were to be disposed of. The hospital admitted that the likely outcome was that, due to the pressure the hospital was facing, the grandmother’s jewellery had been disposed of by mistake along with her clothing.

Of course, this caused great distress to the family in question and it has led me to wonder how many families were similarly affected. It is not inconceivable that due to this absurd guidance, the total value of patients’ lost items could be millions of pounds, and many deeply saddened families.

This whole saga seems typical of the whole national response to Covid, where an easily sterilisable item, such as an engagement ring, is thrown aside in the name of irrational Covid responses. I feel that stories and scandals like these are going to continue surfacing for months to come.

No Second Wave in Spain

Yesterday’s Blower cartoon in the Telegraph

Will Jones, a contributor to Lockdown Sceptics, has written a good piece for Conservative Woman about the needless panic over Spain’s “second wave”.

While there has in the past month been a surge in cases, mainly in Catalonia, there has been no corresponding surge in deaths nor in serious cases, which remain notably flat, indicating a surge so far either among the low risk or in the number of tests only.

Further considerations are that half the new cases in Spain are asymptomatic and we have no reason to believe that the asymptomatic are infectious. In addition, with the number of people being tested so high, and the percentage of cases so low, it’s likely that some of the uptick is due to false positives. The antigen test is notoriously unreliable, as this episode illustrates, when six out of seven staff members at a Scottish football club who’d tested positive turned out to be negative when retested.

In other words, the newly-imposed quarantine for travellers returning from Spain (and the Spanish islands) is completely pointless.

Who would have guessed?

As Alexandra Phillips points out in the Telegraph, the Government’s U-turn on quarantine travel restrictions is straight out of The Thick of It.

Worth reading Will Jones’s piece in full.

Risk of Catching the Virus From Inanimate Surfaces or Objects is Tiny

Turns out, you can’t get Covid from cans of baked beans

A reader has flagged up a recent comment in the Lancet saying the risk of catching COVID-19 from fomites – inanimate surfaces or objects – has been wildly exaggerated. The author – Professor of Microbiology, Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics at the New Jersey Medical School – points out that the studies purporting to show the virus can survive on fomites for up to six days all used huge quantities of live virus that bore no resemblance to real life situations.

In a study in which the authors tried to mimic actual conditions in which a surface might be contaminated by a patient, no viable SARS-CoV was detected on surfaces.

He concludes:

In my opinion, the chance of transmission through inanimate surfaces is very small, and only in instances where an infected person coughs or sneezes on the surface, and someone else touches that surface soon after the cough or sneeze (within 1–2 h).

Phew! This means there’s no need to “quarantine” food deliveries for three days before consuming and no need to remove clothing that’s been touched from rails in shops.

But I think we all knew that anyway.

Examples of Newspeak

I’m thinking about introducing a new regular slot featuring Orwellian use of language by the mainstream media. Here’s a gem: “Protesters in California set fire to a courthouse, damaged a police station and assaulted officers after a peaceful demonstration intensified.” (This was tweeted by ABC News in the US.) I don’t suppose I need to spell this out, but if protestors set fire to a courthouse, vandalised a police station and attacked the police, how was the demonstration “peaceful”? It’s reminiscent of that now famous BBC headline about the BLM protest that turned ugly in Whitehall: “27 officers injured in largely peaceful anti-racism protests.”

If readers notice any other examples of Newspeak, email me here.

Round-Up

Here’s a round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Three today: “Everybody’s Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey” by the Beatles, “Let’s Not Go Shopping” by Robbie Williams and “House Arrest” by Gorgon City x SOFI TUKKER.

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

Note to the Good Folks Below the Line

I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.

We created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, but they became a magnet for spam (apologies for mixed metaphor) so we’ve temporarily closed them. However, we can open them again if some readers volunteer to be moderators. If you’d like to do this, please email Ian Rons, the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster, here – and thanks to those who’ve already volunteered. We’ll be re-opening the Forums soon.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

I thought I’d create a new permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard. The one featured above is available for free here and has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here. The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And you can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from eBay here.

Although bear in mind that some mask Nazis are so deranged they may just go completely nuts if they see you not wearing one in public. In San Diego, a man having a picnic with his wife in a public park was maced by a woman for not covering his face.

Meanwhile, here’s Peter Hitchens railing against face masks on Mike Graham’s TalkRadio show yesterday.

And you can sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website to end mandatory face nappies in shops here.

Shameless Begging Bit

Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation recently to pay for the upkeep of this site. If you feel like donating, however small the sum, please click here. And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in future updates, email me here.

And Finally…

In the latest episode of London Calling, James Delingpole and I talk about being part of the anti-mask rebel alliance, why Covid rule enforcement appeals to aggressive conformists and the unconvincing rhetoric of Sasha, the Oxford BLM rabble rouser. If you enjoy the podcast, please do subscribe.

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OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago

Am I first?

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Then I’ll begin…

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

By repeating what I put on the old thread.

Terrible how our country has been destroyed by dogma,

Thank God for this site – an oasis of sanity in the great Saharan desert of mass hysteria.

Not normally a toady but much praise and many thanks to Toby for making this oasis – this community of the sane and sanguine – possible.

Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I second, third and fourth that.

David Grimbleby,
David Grimbleby,
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Thank you Toby, a beacon of sanity, midst the madness

skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

You’ll be getting death threat from HawkAnalyst!

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/27/no-10-quarantine-u-turn-straight-thick/

No 10 quarantine U-turn is straight out of The Thick of It

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Down-ticked, as too slow. 🙂

Mike Smith
Mike Smith
5 years ago

I think we need suggestions for slogans. Either to say to people or to leave lying around.

My suggestions are : “Do you honestly think THEY are wearing masks?” and “Hysterics and grown-ups. Which are you?”

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

Tricky one trying to sum everything up…

“Masks are murder”? (H/T to Morrissey).

“A free people are not a masked people.”

“Fact: 99.9% of people have not died of Covid.”

watashi
watashi
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

99.972% in the UK apparently.

Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

According to MSM in Ireland, you are not allowed to say that:

https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-survival-rates-5103495-May2020/

Apologies for linking to a COVID19 bed wetting site.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

About as honest as a BBC Reality Check! These are genuine survival rates – just as we talk about half a country’s population surviving the bubonic plague so we can talk about 99.9% plus surviving Covid-19… which was touted by the likes of Prof Ferguson as a modern plague.

matt
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I loved the generic bit at the end about how to work out whether what you were being told was ‘misinformation’

“ Finally, see how you feel after reading it. A lot of these false messages are designed to make people feel panicked. They’re deliberately manipulating your feelings to make you more likely to share it.”

Because trustworthy mainstream media would never stoop this low. Perish the thought.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

lol! Of course not!! They wouldn’t put scary bass note synth noise as a soundtrack for their news reports would they?

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

Are you wearing the mask or is the mask wearing you?

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

Mike, I honestly don’t think we’ll ever get through to the ‘true believers’ of this spamdemic. This, a ‘debate’ I tried with one on another site yesterday

Dope:(about slogans) How about “I decline to wear a mask, because I don’t care about my fellow man”.

Me:How about ‘ I decline to wear a mask because decades of available scientific research shows that they are ineffective and cause more harm than good. Now, get a grip children’

Dope:That’s right. Nobody wears masks in hospitals.

Me:Can’t believe you wrote that.If you think wearing a mask in Tesco is the same as wearing a mask in hospital, then you must have the intellect of a peanut.

Dope:The reason they are worn is the same.

Me:I feel embarrassed for you.

Dope:I find those that protest against vaccination and masks rather embarrassing.

Me:Very cerebral

Stewart
Stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

Conflating not wanting to wear a mask and being against vaccinations is very, very sinister.

It’s becoming a thing.

Drawde927
Drawde927
5 years ago
Reply to  Stewart

Similarly, being very concerned about the side effects of a rushed vaccine isn’t the same as being an “anti-vaxxer”.

See here https://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy for a side effect of the 2009 swine flu vaccine, which 6 million people in the UK received (I only found out about this yesterday… very disturbing)

It’s definitely very weird and sinister the way the UK seems to have, in a matter of days, adopted the same consensus of virtuous unanimity regarding masks, as is found in the USA.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Drawde927

They’re brainwashed, hypnotised, mind-controlled. It is quite weird to see it in front of us, though.

(I also doubt the ‘unanimity’).

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Drawde927

I know 2 women that went into a coma after receiving the swine flu vaccine and died

Digital Nomad
Digital Nomad
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

Slow boiling frogs!

Stewart
Stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

Don’t infect me with your fear

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Stewart

A badge for the maskless: “This is a fear-free zone”

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

Zombies wear masks.
Human beings don’t

Which are you?

Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

Fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.

You allowed to vote?

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

‘Distrust and verify’

From Mike Pompeo’s excellent anti CCP speech last week.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

Masks are not about safety, they’re about compliance.

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Certainly they’re nothing to do with safety. The manufacturers of the commonly-seen ‘blue masks’ are now printing disclaimers on the box. Note the wording CAREFULLY:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec9KBE7WkAIH7Yt?format=png&name=small

The masks do not provide ANY protection against Cv19. Not “limited protection” – ANY protection. ANY!! In other words, they are TOTALLY EFFING USELESS!

Even worse is the suggestion by HM Dictatorship that an ear-loop mask (see disclaimer above!) can be made from a bit of old T shirt, and that this magic talisman will prevent infection. I mean, this is beyond obvious now.

It’s all about Compulsory Vaccination, folks. (Or at least, that’s Step 1 of the Agenda.) Stop the Compulsory Jab and you start to jam a spanner in the rest of Agenda 21, Agenda 2030 or whatever the Central Planners call their Orwellian superstate.

Don’t take my word for it – here’s Our Saviour Billy Gates to tell us plebs what he and his Overlords have in store for our glorious new future:

https://youtu.be/ZQcvuftqXFY

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

Masking kids is child abuse.

Edward
Edward
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

“Masks do more harm than good”. I’ll expand on this shortly.

adam
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

How about: “This thing is all but over. We need to get back to normal – old normal. With your mask, though, you’re telling us you want it dragged out even longer.”

Maybe add “That’s selfish isn’t it? Thoughtless too.”

And if you feel like launching into a lecture:

“Evidently we will never agree on this. Resolve, as I have, to try to live politely with people who do not agree with you and who never will.”

ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Smith

DEPERSONALISING
DEHUMANISING
OPPRESSIVE

Always goes in threes dunnit?

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1287681814295961600

“When anyone tries to gaslight you by calling you a ‘crank’ , a ‘tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist’ or ‘Flat Earther’ for having perfectly legitimate & sensible concerns over a rushed through ‘Coronavirus’ vaccine & its side effects, just send them this.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

So, it will all be the FDA’s fault!

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Mr Gates should consider that he is rapidly becoming a hindrance, rather than an asset, to his bosses.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

BG “the side effects are just super-painful”.
Cheers Bill, that’s alright then.

J.J.
J.J.
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Essensially, what is the difference between wearing a tin-foil hat to protect oneself against microwave radiation, and wearing a mask which lets through viruses, to protect others in case you are carrying a “deadly disease” which is currently killing less than the Flu in July?!

matt
5 years ago
Reply to  J.J.

I’m going to steal that. Thank you.

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  J.J.

the difference one works and the other doesn’t
aluminium foil stops microwave radaition and masks don’t stop viruses
http://www.bioinitiative.org

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

‘Let Leicester out of lockdown’: Council sets out its alternative to continuing local restrictions

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/let-leicester-out-lockdown-council-4369044

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

One of the comments:

Not going to happen folks, just received my letter from Department of Health & Social Care saying Leicester City, Oadby & Wigston wil not have shielding relaxed until at least the next review on August

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Yep, know some people in the Leicester Gulag and that’s what they’ve been told/heard. They’re not happy…

kbeanie
5 years ago

Professor Karol Sikora on Twitter:

“Hospital admission data is such a useful way to track our progress.

The 7 day average for English hospital admissions is now well below 100. It was around 2700 at the peak.

Patients in mechanical ventilation beds also much lower.

No signs of any spike in that data.”

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

Colleges Plan for Virus Testing, But Strategies Vary Widely

https://www.newsmax.com/headline/virus-outbreak-college-testing/2020/07/26/id/979054/

Ted
Ted
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

For students heading to Colby College in Maine this fall, coronavirus testing is expected to be a routine part of campus life. All students will be required to provide a nasal swab every other day for two weeks, and then twice a week after that. All told, the college says it will provide 85,000 tests, nearly as many as the entire state of Maine has since the pandemic started.

If a single student attends Colby College under this policy of invasive abuse, they have rocks in the heads and probably should be determined ineligible for a college degree due to obvious mental incompetence. My god, how gleefully colleges are rehearsing a US culture of widespread gulag.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Ted

Spot on Ted. 🙂

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

Nando’s is selling quarter of Peri Peri chicken for just £1.85 as full menu is reduced – Essex Live

https://www.essexlive.news/whats-on/food-drink/nandos-selling-quarter-peri-peri-4367202

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

The problem of false positives from Covid-19 tests means UK is inflating its numbers – and taking wrong decisions

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/495982-false-positive-covid19-uk/

Biker
Biker
5 years ago

face the facts
you must wear a mask
on the face of it it seems a lot to ask
but you must wear the mask
really we shouldn’t have to ask
and should have paid more attention in class
then we wouldn’t have to harass 
you non wearing subclass
face the facts
wear the mask on masse 
Jumping Jack mask
it’s a mask mask mask
so i fixed a date with this lass
she turned up wearing a mask
i thought how is she gonna blow my brass
so i poured some wine in her glass
and i dared to ask
if i could fill her crevasse
i thought shit we’ve reached an impasse
so i took her to an Indian
and we ordered a madras
she told me she was catholic
and we need to go to mass
she went into the Chapel i sat outside on my ass
she found salvation i smoked some grass
shit this is a poem about a mask 
then i heard a bang and the state dropped teargas 
seems a little crass
if you mask me

Mr Dee
Mr Dee
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Our new Rabbie Burns.

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

my love is like a red red rose
she wears a mask everywhere she goes
so i finished with her because i can’t be doing with it

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Echoes of Ivor Cutler

http://www.ivorcutler.org/

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago

The Scaremonger-in-Chief warns business of ‘second wave’ – FT and others. Last week it was ‘everybody back to work’. What’s going on?

skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Yet more disinformation, aimed at hiding the truth.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

I have been saying for some time, he is mentally unfit to continue in this job. It is a dereliction of duty that the rest of the Cabinet, the 1922, and the Conservative party are allowing him to continue. Note also he says this today when the WHO appear to be changing stance – again – on whether there can/will be a second wave.

Basics
Basics
5 years ago

We need an international people’s trial over this. To the highest standards, surpassing their system, outside of their courts. The people of the world simply act responsibly together and put the main protangonists on trial.

Malcolm Ramsay
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I don’t know about an international trial but, if anybody was prepared to mount a legal challenge centred on the argument that the current system has forfeited its legitimacy, I think there’s a good chance the British courts would order a constitutional overhaul – there are a few obvious changes which could transform the current system and would be very hard to argue against: An Age of Misrule.

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Malcolm Ramsay

Simon Dolan did and it was thrown out, now going to appeal

Malcolm Ramsay
Malcolm Ramsay
5 years ago
Reply to  sam

Well, it’s likely that any constitutional challenge would fail in the High Court (because it’s only the Supreme Court that has the authority to make that kind of ruling). But I don’t think Simon Dolan was challenging the underlying legitimacy of the system as it’s currently constituted; my impression is he was claiming the government had acted outside the existing rules (though I haven’t looked in detail at his arguments). Even if he wins at appeal, all it will mean is that Parliament will vote through redrafted legislation that plugs the gaps – it won’t establish a principle that governments can’t make unreasonable laws.

Drawde927
Drawde927
5 years ago

Note also he says this today when the WHO appear to be changing stance – again – on whether there can/will be a second wave.

I missed this bit of news – are the WHO now saying there’s going to be a second wave, when previously they didn’t – or is it the other way round?

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Drawde927

Ewan Duffy posted this on the previous thread (about 3 hrs ago):

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0728/1155918-coronavirus-global/

Drawde927
Drawde927
5 years ago

Thanks. There does seem to be some sense in this statement (I always assumed the “wave” thing was based on comparison with the 1918/19 Spanish flu, where the waves were actually different viruses, or the same one mutated – not resurgences), less so in how the world is responding to it.

It’s crazy how, worldwide, both governments and media sources seem almost desperate to panic over “surges” in cases, which are usually more down to increased testing than anything else. There is no attempt to provide context, reassure people, or do anything constructive – it’s as if society wants to stay in a state of fear for as long as possible.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Drawde927

That’s the plan!

DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Drawde927

I think society has broken down into individual madness. Specifically large numbers of unthinking proles went mad together and then ‘individualised’ as society imploded, but still haven’t regained their wits.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

The programming was very skillful, and based largely on ‘fear of death’. Not an easy task to repair them.

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

its a psy op

Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago

Apropos missing jewellery after a death in an NHS hospital: when my mother died and her effects were returned to me, her money and gold wedding ring were missing, likewise a duck-down pillow I had given her. I informed the administrator that she had until 5 p.m. to find the ring, after which I would call the police.

Surprise surprise, the ring turned up.

Reason #649 why I did not clap for the “angels” of the NHS.

Bella
Bella
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Yes, when I read that bit my assumption was that it had been nicked

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

When is the pandemic over? It was easier in the days of epidemic or pandemic flu and no mass testing. When the excess death was back to normal everything was over. Mass testing now is finding cases, asymptomatic, old cases and false positives but are they dying? Obviously not according to total death data. But not with Covid-19 which is like Hotel California ‘You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.’ below quoting Michael Levitt’s tweet“Retweet to focus. Is there a way to determine ‘when it is over’ other than by excess death dropping back to normal? This is done with flu every year. Large-scale PCR testing for Influenza virus RNA would lead to much higher deaths ‘WITH flu’. Can co-morbidity be ignored? Help me!”“The total excess death in Europe in 2020 has not changed for 9 weeks. Still the number is large with 175,000 COVID season deaths since 1 March. This is equivalent to about 25 days of natural death (50,000 natural deaths/week in Europe). It is the burden of death of COVID19.”“It turns out that reported COVID19 deaths in Europe did not stop when excess deaths did. The additional 16,600 reported deaths (9.4%)… Read more »

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

I think we have to assume that those in control do not want it to be over

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes, one feels that this must be rather how German generals (and the boss himself) must have felt towards the end of WW2. They were in a terrible predicament and causing dreadful national suffering and destruction by prolonging the war, but the thought of all those trials coming along afterwards meant that they could not surrender and limit the damage!

Stewart
Stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I think this is more like WWI, where there was one big stalemate from which no one wanted to back down and which just went on destroying lives pointlessly.

Malcolm Ramsay
5 years ago
Reply to  Stewart

“like WWI, where there was one big stalemate from which no one wanted to back down”

Until the 1918 pandemic shook them all up!

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Stewart

I think you have it there Stewart.
O level History C1970 ‘outline the war aims of the major powers in WW1.’
France-don’t lose
Germany-don’t lose
Britain-don’t lose
Russia-don’t lose.

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Stewart

more like 1917 in Russia

goldhoarder
goldhoarder
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes. This has to be faced.

Ted
Ted
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Yes, the pandemic is a global outbreak of deadly policy making, a very very stupid media culture, coupled with the industrialization of PCR testing capabilities. There is indeed no exit from this mess until that sad day when it is clear that these fools (in and out of government) have torn the entire social fabric of countless societies to shreds and all kinds of other deaths will dwarf those attributed falsely to c19. I am thinking of the decades long societal breakdowns in post-soviet states after 1990 and the unprecedented increases in suicide and alcohol related deaths. Depressing, yes. But at this point I see no other route but through it.

Steve Martindale
Steve Martindale
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

In my view PCR testing is a very useful powerful tool, when I was working in arable agriculture we used to use it but you had to use it in conjunction with professional assessment of the symptoms and the history. If you simply rely on the test it becomes the master rather than the servant.
That is what seems to have happened with Covid and the testing system has become a monster driving this nightmare along. As you say if we took this approach to outbreaks of normal flu or the common cold we would be eternally locked down. Nobody in Government seems to have the brains and the bravery to think this through, stand up and challenge what is going on.

Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

Those videos are scary… not only what they say, but the fact that they were completely banned. This fascistic social media needs to be brought down.

Awkward Git
5 years ago

A bit off topic I know but I’d like to ask a question. It’s at the end in bold.

This doesn’t bode well:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-defence-teams-up-with-world-leading-uk-space-company-to-secure-next-generation-of-military-communications

Wasn’t Skynet the system of computers and machines that went anti-human in Terminator? Yes it was and the company was Cyberdyne.

This now has me worried, there really is a company called Cyberdyne that does a robot suit that is called HAL (the psychotic computer from 2001).

This is getting too freaky:

https://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/products/HAL/index.htmlHAL [Hybrid Assistive Limb] is the world‘s first*1 cyborg-type robot, by which a wearer‘s bodily functions can be improved, supported and enhanced.

What is it with all these reports about space defence at the moment?

Found Ronald Reagan’s speech, there is a video clip on here if you scroll down far enough, it’s below the one with Bill Clinton saying the same. Apparently Reagan brought the subject up a few times in his Presidency:

https://fightingmonarch.com/2020/04/23/project-blue-beam-ufos-nwo/
and
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/exopolitics_reagan03.htm

Assisted by maybe:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_bluebeam04.htm

So can someone tell me are we being prime for something or am I now too paranoid?

Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Maybe it’s a case of life imitating art? So, the company is Cyberdyne because of Terminator & Hal because of Space Odyssy. Not saying it’s not freaky, as I am definite with Will Smith’s character from I, Robot.

Humanity First
Humanity First
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

And there was also this:

“The U.S. Army has signed a contract to study and exploit materials from unidentified flying objects. It intends to use what it learns in order to develop new weapons platforms.

I can confirm that at least some of the source material was retrieved from crash remnants or materials sourced from UFOs.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/us-army-signs-contract-to-study-ufo-material-and-make-better-weapons

And this….

“The Pentagon recently confirmed and officially released three UFO sightings caught on camera. These videos show Navy pilots interacting with what the Department of Defense called unidentified aerial phenomena.”

https://cryptidlab.com/ufo-sightings-confirmed-pentagon/

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Don’t forget that even business owners have a sense of humour.

Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Got a couple of answers from the son and a friend:

Son – At least we know how to kill the terminator knife to back of neck Me – does this work for Gates, Handjobs and Boris?

Friend – https://medium.com/skynetproject/skynet-open-network-an-integrated-solution-for-large-scale-intelligent-iot-interconnection-1961edbbb7b8

goldhoarder
goldhoarder
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

They already told us. https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago

We need to organize better.
Ideally internationally.
For a start, we need a symbol, like a uniform badge and/or mask (where inevitable) to wear and thereby signal our grown-up and scientifically supported dissent!

Stewart
Stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

Doctors are trying to coalesce around acu 2020

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

Don’t like the sound of ‘inevitable’. However …

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PlaceboTime
PlaceboTime
5 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

Something based on a Swedish flag perhaps?

MiriamW
MiriamW
5 years ago

Thanks again for all the useful information and links. Not sure about this though:

Although bear in mind that some mask Nazis are so deranged they may just go completely nuts if they see you not wearing one in public. In San Diego, a man having a picnic with his wife in a public park was maced by a woman for not covering his face.

A lot of people are really nervous about taking a stand against masks and many, including me, don’t want to wear a lanyard to label themselves. Do we really need US-style fear-mongering and do we want to give the mask Nazis ideas?

Please also bear in mind that when people wear masks you can’t gauge their expressions. That is why ‘they’ want us in them. The wearer looks hostile or scared (possibly true anyway). It is very unlikely that we would get anything more than the odd comment. Don’t let scare stories put us off. If someone objects, don’t tell them anything and calmly invite them to keep their distance.

Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW

Agree.

JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW

In many US states, the woman who maced people would be ‘filled with lead’. Probably sensible of her to do this in California.

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW

take a deep breath and try it
If you are exempt you don’t have to wear one
Some shops do not ask at all

T. Prince
5 years ago

I get a feeling that the BBC is trying to down play the ‘cat story’ because they don’t want to incite a full blown covid cat cull…

skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

Give it two weeks for this story to mutate, the we’ll all see what it’s about.

Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

… Ooh lizards can pass it on do you think? Should I flush my iguana?

Richard James
Richard James
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Oh NO! So David Icke and me were both right about the lizards!

Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Our lizard overlords have ensured that they are immune to the illness 😉

Cruella
Cruella
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

OH goodness, don’t tell my Mum she’ll be first in line for the cat killing.

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

It’s a dead cat story…

Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Handy, because we are all waiting for the dead cat bounce.

Rick
Rick
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

If you put the cat in a box with deadly covid will it be both alive and dead at the same time? Can PHE count it regardless?

Wickwar Bob
Wickwar Bob
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick

They probably already have!

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

Oh dear, first an emergency, then a crisis, and now we have a CATastrophe!

Squire Western
Squire Western
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

My dog supports a cat cull.

Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

My friend really dislikes cats (we have 4!) and has already put on FB this morning that cats shouldn’t be let out to spread the virus! I have to say she was one of the first to isolate, but after 12 weeks of doing that, she was going stir-crazy, so has relaxed somewhat – until now …

MiriamW
MiriamW
5 years ago
Reply to  Ruth Sharpe

Facebook is poisonous and so are people like your ‘friend’. Friend?

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

It’s been said before, weeks ago, nothing happened.

mjr
mjr
5 years ago

Reposting my post from yesterday’s (as only posted an hour or so again) as people may have missed it and it is a good insight into the Quango/trust/ government culture I have just been listening to The Great Post Office Trial on BBC Sounds. This covers the huge scandal over the last 20 years where issues in the Post Office counters Horizon computer system led the Post office to criminalise and bankrupt 100s of innocent sub postmasters. At the time Post office was government owned. Worth listening as it shows how such operations lie. hide and obfuscate – these being the same sort of operations and people as NHS trusts and other Quangos. Interesting to note that the Chief Executive for much of this period (from 2012 to 2019) was Paula Vennells . She left Post office when the sh*t finally hit the fan and walked into the posts of Chair of Imperial College Healthcare Trust and as Cabinet Office board member. And unbelievably she was awarded a CBE for services to the Post Office. Do you see a pattern here?. The merry go round of people moving from Board to Trust to Quango hiding their errors. Then you can understand how the SAGE,… Read more »

Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

Check out Simon Steven’s at PHE. He was so bad at Mid Yorkshire Hospital Trust that he was rapidly moved on. But lo and behold, popped up at PHE & look how that has gone!

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

she did her job, get rid of small businesses running post office franchises

BTLnewbie
5 years ago

At last, some good news – I have access to Boris’s private office and have just glimpsed the draft of his speech to the nation tonight. Let me share it with you: Well folks, we did it! We beat the virus!  I stand before you today, armed with the latest figures from our world-beating Office of National Statistics, and can tell you that we are beating Death itself!  For the fifth week in a row, fewer people have died under my administration than the average over the past 5 years. Furthermore (although every one of the 10,000 deaths each week is a tragic loss for those involved), I can tell you that, last week, only 1 in every 30 of those deaths is associated with Covid19. We will now focus our attention, and the attention of our great NHS, on the causes of the other 29. So I declare today 28th July, VC Day, a public holiday to celebrate our great Victory over Corona. For every death associated with Covid since March, we will have spent £6m of your money, and we now urge you, the great British public, to do your bit to get your money back by earning and spending with… Read more »

Kathryn
Kathryn
5 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

If only!!

Steve Martindale
Steve Martindale
5 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

I also note that Covid hospital cases are way down
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-uk-hospital-admissions/
It does make you wonder what more has to be done to draw all this nonsense to a halt? It really has become like a never ending medieval witch hunt.

Richard
Richard
5 years ago

Exactly – was with a medical professional at the weekend – firstly no worries about social distancing – handshake proffered straight as out of car ! Then talking to them and said the been told local hospital here (large regional city hadn’t had anyone for five weeks in Covid ward) – not surprised at all and said pretty much true in London as well. It has gone and yet the muzzling madness continues. To all those here nervous about resisting – keep going and be strong – it’s hard but really important – am not without nerves myself when I go into places but people soon back off.

MiriamW
MiriamW
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard

Thanks, this is heartening. Here’s my twopence worth: T’other half and I are in a community group and we’ve had a meeting with someone from a local council to discuss some local infrastructure issues (I’m being deliberately vague as I don’t want to get anyone ‘done’) The meeting was outside but there’s one large, indoor area where people are theoretically supposed to muzzle up. It was showery. All of our group are old, some quite doddery and there were 7 of us including the middle-aged guest. At least two of us, including my husband are ‘extremely vulnerable’. Only one person produced a mask and I told him that, as a doctor, my advice was to leave it off. I’m not a doctor. Anyway, straight off it went! During the meeting we were in and out of the indoor bit as the showers came and went. Nobody put a mask on at any point even though there was a man and 2 little boys hanging around with muzzles on-off-on-off, pulling them about, fingering them etc.who didn’t seem in the slightest bothered about us. There was also a marked increase within our group in scepticism about the Government’s motives and the coming… Read more »

Edna
Edna
5 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

Brilliant!!

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

And, then, you woke up?!

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

We wish.

mjr
mjr
5 years ago

Again posted yesterday by Steven Farmer but everyone needs to see it as it explains where government policy has come from
https://youtu.be/FwvZql6RToE

Kf99
Kf99
5 years ago

Neil Oliver on masks. “The inhumanity starts when you can’t see someone’s face”. Wonderful stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk0u0XFki5g&start=900

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago

Just got a text from my doctor’s surgery, inviting me, if I qualify (that is, have I had CV or any of the symptoms in the last 15 days) to join the following clinical trial:

https://www.principletrial.org/

Has anyone been sent this?

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago

I was invited to do something similar. Avoid.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

I avoid anything generally that requires any of my details – NHS database, the finger-print access to library (was suggested for my kids when they were at primary school, and we were the only parents to object). The less the ‘powers that be’ know the better!

Basics
Basics
5 years ago

Going on holiday – the quarantine trap, meaning forced quarantine and tested on the 8th day – therefore going on holiday they take your dna.

We need a trial holding to have these criminals shown for what they are.

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Plus there is no way to prove that the testing kits are not contaminated. There is no chain of evidence for the person being tested.

Gillian Swanson
Gillian Swanson
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I’ve just had a letter from the health centre saying that “In line with government recommendations all patients over the age of 45 should have had a blood pressure recorded within the last 5 years.” I wondered if they would seize this opportunity to test me for the virus. Shan’t go, anyway, as they also say, “Please ensure that you are wearing a face mask.” Extraordinary, that after four months of the health centre doors being barred to sick people, lest they infect, potential germ-carriers are being chased up for unnecessary close contact.

Basics
Basics
5 years ago

A study into seeing the blood pressure rise from mask wearing perhaps. It’s unforgivable how these GP practises have wimped out. I’d be temped to go and give them a word or three. Better you do as you plan Gillian!

sam
sam
5 years ago

we also objected to fingerprinting of children for the school library and canteen

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago

Don’t do it. I’ve uploaded a link in my previous comment. Even if you had the virus the dead Covid cells are still detectable in a test.

DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

They’re not tests that’s why. What are claimed to be tests are properly used for replicating large numbers of DNA strands for experimentation. These viral fragments (remembering that a virus is merely a non-living fragment of genetic material anyway) are RNA, which means they first need converting into DNA, and then are replicated en masse, conceivably introducing errors, and that is how they claim that someone is infected. All that from conceivably just one random fragment – I’ve seen nothing to suggest that they have the faintest idea how much is within the person in question. Never mind that most are not actually ill, and so hardly qualify as being ‘infected’ in the conventional sense.

I’m sure that either on here or on one of the linked articles (the latter I believe) it was stated that the so-called tests come with a disclaimer: ‘Not to be used for diagnosis of Covid-19’ or something to that effect – so why is that exactly what they’re doing?

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago

Mrs 2-6 got one, part of a “randomised” serology testing project. Straight in the bin.

sam
sam
5 years ago

I did too
Was thinking of getting a swab to send for analysis (to see if there’s anything untoward in it) or swabbing a pinapple and seeing what they say!!
Or just not sending the swab back and seeing if they say I’m positive anyway!

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago

Even a blind man can see what’s going on:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53564949

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Phew I just couldn’t click on that for a while thinking it WAS going to be something about pets and covid, I just couldn’t go there, thank goodness its about a famous dissenter speaking out against the cult of covid.

mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Good on him … Beautiful voice,

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

But what does this mean???

Bocelli has since claimed his comments were “misunderstood”, adding that his foundation has helped many people who have had the virus.

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago

Would not be in the least bit surprised if there are soon reports of an increase in people asking vets for their pets to be euthanized, DIY jobs or of pets being abandoned.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

That happened at the beginning with the mythical Hong Kong dog … plus dogs homes being going bust, so they’ve been PTS en masse as they couldn’t rehome and had run out of money.

Emma
Emma
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Another aspect of this whole shitshow is the price gouging going on with puppies. A year ago I got a whippet bitch, she cost £700. Now if you go online, people are selling them for £2,500 – £3,000. People seem to be buying puppies while furloughed or working from home. No doubt many of these poor animals will end up in shelters when owners return to work, or lose their jobs.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Emma

I have horses, fortunate that I have a bit of land, so I don’t pay livery, just upkeep, even so it’s a ridiculously expensive pursuit, with insurance, feed, vet, farrier, teeth, jabs, wormers, injuries, bust fences and it goes on and on and on! Already hearing reports of dumped horses, even through furlough, that 20% was the luxury hobby portion of people’s wages. We already had a horse welfare crisis before all this started, so chances are that beloved gee gee ends up on a meat lorry to France. Even the idiots saying it was good that horse racing was suspended have no idea how ruthless that ‘sport’ is, if horses aren’t making money, there’s no sentiment involved, they are surplus to requirments, there’s no golden retirement, it’s dog food, that’s it.

As for dogs, we lost our beagle recently, that’s the third pedigree to cancer, I’d already decided I’m never buying a pedigree pup ever again, it was already a racket before this, but I dread to think of the welfare crisis coming.

Bugle
Bugle
5 years ago

Then they came for – my cat.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Anyone comes for my cat, they’ll have to fight me first!

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Quite!

I believe that the government is now exceeding any previously existing level of public goodwill and is (finally) heading for very big trouble. Nearly a million have already become unemployed due to their policies, millions of actual or potential holidays are being disrupted at massive personal cost (both financial and mental) and the three stages of furlough wind-down are now coming towards us very soon with millions to become unemployed.

Well, de Pfeffel, you are, I believe, about to discover that there is a limit to how far people will be pushed!

Edna
Edna
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I do hope your last sentence comes true! Let the masses rise!

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I desperately want to believe that last sentence…

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I hope to God you are right!

Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

If we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic with large numbers dying, how do you explain the increase in unemployment. If workers were dying in large numbers organisations would not need to make staff redundant if staff were no longer needed and I have seen no instances of job vacancies being created due to having to replace dead staff. The black death created a labour shortage.

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Bec, did you see the clip posted by MiriamW above of the woman spraying mace in the faces of an unmasked couple having a picnic in a park? If they are prepared to brazenly do this to other human beings in full view of witnesses then I have no doubt that they honestly believe that any (violent) action is justified in the fight to conquer this deadly disease. Best keep your cat in lockdown for a while…..

DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

Sorry for the language, but I hope the bitch gets done for aggravated assault – I can’t see what else that would qualify as.

MiriamW
MiriamW
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

Please note I was actually quoting Toby and I don’t think that he should have included it!

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  DoesDimSyniad

No need to apologize- my thoughts were far worse

MiriamW
MiriamW
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

No T.Prince. Please read my post again.

Anyway, let me clarify that I was taking Toby to task for posting that because I thought it was fear-mongering!!

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW

Miriam, I didn’t see it that way, it just shows what we’re up against….

skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

I can see this in a few weeks time, dogs aren’t allowed to be walked outdoors, and cats have to remain in the house. Then there will be the Army going round shooting cats and dog that are outdoors like in China.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Pets aren’t sustainable, they eat too much meat and cats kill birds and keeping a pet is Crule 🙁
Is how it might go.
I hope not.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago

That poor, poor woman not being able to see her daughter, and the poor lady with cancer, imagine not being able to hug your mum at the end of your life? I have honestly just sat and cried my eyes out. What are we doing? It’s just so cruel. I dread of think of the elderly, isolated people all around the country, sinking into to despair, cut off from everything that gives comfort and meaning. What has continued to shock me through all this, is just how self-centred people are, how much empathy they lack, it’s a total failure of imagination about other people, what’s wrong with them??? I keep being told I’m ‘selfish’ and when I say, ‘in what ways have I ever made this about me? When have I done anything but point out what this is doing to others?’ I get no answer. And having lost one dog to cancer a couple of weeks ago, and she was terrified of the vet’s PPE, I just dropped my other dog at the vet for some xrays (wonky elbows) and she was shaking with fear as I handed her over, as I’m not allowed to go in with her.… Read more »

Martin
Martin
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Why did the vet need to wear PPE in order to put down your dog?

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Because we opted for home euthanasia as the other option was in a carpark, and she was so sick with very rapidly degranulating mast cell cancer, I couldn’t do it to her, so the vet had to come in the house. I said we didn’t care about all that, but the vet very much did, and the dog was very scared because she had shiny visor, mask, gloves, apron and overshoes. It was very unpleasant, because the dog was so scared, she screamed at the sedation, the vet jumped and dropped the needle and we had to do it twice, the poor dog was really, really, really scared.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Reading this kills me. A stone in my chest.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I know, all round was very upsetting and made me very angry, the vet was actually a very nice person, clearly just following company policy, but the dog didn’t know that. And the worst of it is, we are doing this to people too. Like the lady in today’s updates. I honestly sometimes feel like I hate people, I truly do, people have no heart.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

What normal human being could conceive, and tell you, that a carpark is a suitable place to put a dog down????

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Martin

It’s generally referred to as stupidity.

Otherwise known as “regulations”. Probably a condition of vets being allowed to reopen.

More thoughtless, nonsensical inhumanity.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Agree BecJT. I cannot have enough contempt for anyone who not only imposes this onto their fellow citizens but then seeks to ignore it themselves (Ferguson) or worse, actively mocks these two cancer sufferers by their preposterous mutterings (Cummings and his Barnard Castle Defence).

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago

I agree, it’s contempt I’m feeling more than anger, although just had a good cry, and helpless is what I’m feeling now. I honestly don’t know what to do, I have my little rebellions, talk to people where I can, write to my MP, but it all feels a bit inadequate. I find it shocking we are a minority, that scares me about other people, it’s so obvious to me that this is just wrong, it worries me that that is an ‘outlier’ view.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I think it is more common than you think, don’t despair. We need to stick together for each other, and chip away at the waverers, and the newly angered (had their holidays cancelled, cannot return to work and might now lose a ‘safe’ job). It’s good to talk, cry, scream whatever, rather than bottling inside!

DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
5 years ago

I agree. I think there are many who spout all the right platitudes and maybe even do things which make them blend in with the sheep, but they do (or have done) things they’re not ‘allowed’ to do nevertheless. Eventually they’ll find even the token obvious compliance too ridiculous and dispense with that as well.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago

That’s true, you’re right. My brother came for a visit this weekend, he has a busy job in a treatment centre which is on an NHS site, he was quite chippy and defensive when he arrived (easy for me to say masks are bollocks, he’s been forced to wear one for the last three months) but he’s listening now. It’s unfortunate that most people aren’t prepared to listen until it starts hurting though, we’ve all been watching the pain hurtling down the tracks for months.

Basics
Basics
5 years ago

Calderwood

Wickwar Bob
Wickwar Bob
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I too found those accounts heart-rending. But what particularly got my goat was the hospice manager reprimanding the poor woman for having the temerity to want to spend time with her daughter in the last few hours of her life.

I don’t condone shaming of any sort. God knows there’s enough of that going on at the moment. But if anybody should be shamed it should be that particular jobsworth.

And yes, it is truly rich for us sceptics to be labelled ‘selfish’ when all Believers really want is for themselves to be saved at all costs. Then they express their humanity and commpassion for their fellow man through insults and violence against those holding a different view to them. Utter hypocrites.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Wickwar Bob

That’s shy some of us HATE the NHS.

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

we ony use alternative therapists who actually care and know more than any doctor about healing

CarrieAH
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I am so very sad to read all of this. My animals are the most important beings in my life and this would have broken my heart. It’s not in any way your fault Bec, far from it – the problem is that we have scientists running the country it seems, who completely lack human empathy and understanding. Science now appears to be God alongside the new worship of the NHS.It utterly appalls me.

matt
5 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

I saw the vet who owns/runs our local practice in our local corner shop a couple of weeks before muzzles were imposed, wearing a muzzle. I pretended not to recognise him. My conclusion was that he hadn’t the faintest ability to judge scientific evidence. But then I’ve always thought that vets are charlatans, shysters and snake-oil salesmen at the best of times.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

At our practice the owners and pets wait outside till a nappied vet comes out to collect the pet.
Whenever I go past I say loudly, ‘Funny, isn’t it, the vets are muzzled and the dogs aren’t.’
Just my grain of sand, as the Spanish say.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Very sorry to hear what had happened. I don’t understand why vets have to wear PPE? Are they not aware that they cause distress to animals?

Most odd.

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I agree. They are purposely stripping away our humanity as they did under communism
Also don’t know why others won’t wake up
They have been trained not to think
Often think I’m living on the wrong planet
It would be nice if we could all physically meet somewhere

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
5 years ago
IanE
IanE
5 years ago

Hmm, missing valuable jewellery from deceased at care-homes. Fortunately we all know how perfect are the morals and behaviour of individuals working at such sites.

skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

When i worked in the NHS, the staff on wards in hospitals were some of the worst people I have ever worked with. Uncaring, lazy, bullies, and arse licking backstabbers would be the best way I could describe them. It’s a joke how we are being led to believe they are all Saints!

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

I’ve been very sick with a long running chronic condition (but was critical for a while), I have absolutely no illusions about the NHS, or the level of care and competence, never mind the arrogance of the medical establishment, and no clapping from me either. And for all their ‘we’ve been told not to talk’ an ethical whistleblower would have spoken up anyway, they all know, the fact they are keeping quiet tells us what their priorities are, and it’s not patients.

Hoppity
Hoppity
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Yes.

Fiery
Fiery
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

I actually left the NHS for the same reasons you’ve pointed out. It was the worst job I ever had and I feel so much better now.

Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

And the doctors who have been certifying deaths without anyone checking their homework #Don’tmentionShipman

skipper
skipper
5 years ago
Reply to  Will

I wonder how many wills have been changed over the last 5 months.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Likely too that more people have opted out of the organ donation scheme..

Steve Hayes
5 years ago

Does the cat count as a COVID 19 case?

mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Yes – 9 times

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

Nice one!

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

It wouldn’t surprise me