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A Date That Will Live in Infamy

The Young family head to the shops

So today is mask day, a new low in the lockdown era. But rather than depress readers by linking to the BBC’s ridiculously upbeat guide to face coverings, I thought I’d confine myself to a few glimmers of hope. For instance, some supermarkets and coffee shops have said they won’t enforce the new rules. According to the Mail:

Sainsbury’s, Asda and Costa Coffee have said they will not police new coronavirus laws which force customers to wear face masks in all shops from today.

The major retailers say they have no intention of enforcing new rules which will punish people who refuse to cover their faces with a £100 fine.

In addition, the director of public affairs at Co-Op has said it isn’t the job of the supermarket chain’s employees to enforce the rules and the Association of Convenience Stores has advised its members not to challenge any customers without face coverings.

Meanwhile, the Telegraph has a list of places where masks are not required:

  • Restaurants and pubs with table service
  • Hairdressers and treatment salons unless specified by the venue
  • Gyms and leisure centres
  • Cinemas, concert halls and theatres
  • Museums
  • Heritage sites
  • Dentists
  • Opticians
  • If you are exempt from wearing a mask

And here’s the Telegraph‘s list of who’s exempt:

  • A child under the age of 11
  • An employee of the transport operator, when they are acting in the course of their employment
  • A constable or police community support officer acting in the course of their duty
  • An emergency response member of staff, such as a paramedic or fire officer acting in the course of their duty
  • An official such as a border force officer, acting in the course of their duties
  • If you are on board public transport but remain in your own vehicle, such as a car ferry
  • Other legitimate exemptions listed include those with a disability or a physical or mental illness, and anyone travelling with a deaf person who relies on lip reading to communicate.
  • Wearers are also permitted to remove them if it is necessary to avoid harm or injury, as well as to eat or drink if required, to take medication, or if a police officer or other official requests you to do so.
  • Customers in shops will also be allowed to remove them if they are required to present identification for purchasing alcohol and other age-restricted products.

And for four-eyed folks like me, here’s the Telegraph‘s advice on stopping your glasses steaming up if you’re wearing a mask.

Wales Bans Newspapers on Public Transport

Determined not to be outdone by England’s draconian mask rules, the Welsh Government has gone one step further. According to its recent public transport guidance, not only will travellers have to wear face masks from July 27th, they won’t be able to chat on the phone, eat or drink, must remain in “relative silence” and cannot read newspapers! Who knew reading newspapers could spread the virus? Oh, and you’re not allowed to run for the bus because the virus can be transmitted by “breathing heavily”.

The lunatics really have taken over the asylum in Wales.

Another Victory for the Free Speech Union

Nick Buckley, now back at the helm at Mancunian Way

The Free Speech Union has helped a victim of cancel culture get his job back. Here’s the story, as reported by Guido Fawkes yesterday.

Nick Buckley MBE, who was ousted as chief executive of his own charity last month following some mild criticisms of the Black Lives Matter manifesto, is back in charge thanks to the Free Speech Union. As of today, the trustees who fired him have all resigned, new trustees have been appointed and Nick has been re-appointed as CEO of Mancunian Way, the award-winning charity he founded in 2011. Nick was sacked after an article he posted on Linked-In attracted controversy, including a Change.org petition demanding his head. In spite of the fact that the petition only attracted 465 signatures – and Nick himself founded Mancunian Way – the trustees terminated the charity’s service level agreement with Nick’s company within a week of the petition being launched.

Luckily, Nick is a member of the Free Speech Union. It got behind a counter-petition, which has attracted over 17,500 signatures, and found Nick a top flight solicitor in the form of Keystone Law’s Geoffrey Davies, an expert on charity law. After Geoffrey discovered some irregularities in the process the trustees had followed, and pointed these out to them, they agreed to resign. They have now been replaced by three new trustees, appointed by Nick. And Nick is now back at the helm.

Toby Young, General Secretary of the FSU, tells Guido: “I’m delighted Nick has been reappointed to the charity that he founded and which has done so much to help disadvantaged young people in Manchester. No one should lose their livelihood at the behest of a left-wing outrage mob. Nick’s sacking was an example of cancel culture at its worst and I’m pleased that the FSU and Geoffrey Davies have been able to get him his job back.”

And they would have got away with if it wasn’t for that pesky Free Speech Union.

If you’d like to join the Free Speech Union, click here. And if you’d like to contribute to our Litigation Fund here.

Lord Sumption: Why Have Human Rights Organisations Said Nothing?

A special mask for sheeple

In the recent Prospect webinar in which Lord Sumption admitted to breaking lockdown rules, the patron saint of lockdown sceptics also criticised Britain’s human rights organisations for being “extraordinarily silent” on the Government’s wholesale suspension of our liberties.

A case in point is 38 Degrees, a lobby group that describes itself as “progressive” and claims to “campaign for fairness, defend rights, promote peace, preserve the planet and deepen democracy in the UK”. You’d expect a group that “defends rights” to object to the fact that the UK Government has placed 67 million people under virtual house arrest, but not a bit of it. Like most “progressive” organisations it has enthusiastically sided with the lockdown zealots, giving its unequivocal support to our beloved leader. Indeed, it has just made a special offer to its members – a mask that has your support for the NHS emblazoned across the front (see above). A reader, who’s also a member of 38 Degrees, received this “special offer” via email yesterday:

From this weekend we’ll all be required to wear a face mask. It’s a great way to keep our friends, family and neighbours safe from coronavirus.

But why settle for a plain mask, when you could get one that sends an important message? Today, thousands of us are buying this new mask that helps reduce the spread of Coronavirus and shows our support for the NHS.

Masks like this one usually cost over £9. But you can get one for just a fiver to cover the costs! And if thousands of us buy one and wear it, our message will be clear for all to see: we, the public, love the NHS and want to protect it.

So there you have it folks. If you’re concerned that wearing a face nappy doesn’t send a clear enough message that you’ve abandoned your dignity and are submitting to Britain’s dictatorial regime, you can make it even clearer by wearing a mask emblazoned with pro-NHS propaganda. All courtesy of a human rights organisation that “campaigns for fairness”.

I wonder if, for a little extra money, 38 Degrees could create a mask that administers an electric shock to its wearers if they don’t burst into applause every time Matt Hancock appears on television?

More Dodgy Data?

A lecturer in neuroscience (and a reader of Lockdown Sceptics) has got in touch to point out there’s something a bit fishy about Scotland and Wales’s Covid hospital admissions data:

I noticed that Covid hospital admissions in Wales are not falling as one might expect, while those in Scotland have dropped to zero. Currently, Covid admissions to hospitals in Wales are running at a similar level to those in England, which is strange given the very different populations (and reported deaths).

Admissions figures for patients suspected of having COVID-19 for every nation in the UK are updated daily here. You can infer the length of stay for Covid patients in the different nations by comparing patient totals with daily admissions. Discharges are equal to the change in numbers of patients minus any admissions, and the average length of the stays is approximately equal to (discharged per day)/patients.

For England, the average length of a hospital stay for a Covid patient is just under nine days since the start of the lockdown. This seems reasonable and has been relatively constant.

For Scotland, the data are less current because it stopped reporting admissions after July 9th. Based on the older data, the equivalent calculation gives an average of 40 days. That cannot be right.

For Wales, the data are up-to-date, and give an average stay before discharge of five days. However, this has been falling and for July the average was just 2.6 days.

There are two possible explanations. One is that Scotland has a particularly debilitating and long-lasting form of the virus – COVID-19+ – while Wales has a very short-acting one. On the other hand, Occam would suggest that Covid admissions and patients are being counted differently in the two nations. I suspect that Wales is counting anyone arriving at hospital with an elevated temperature and cough as a “Covid admission”, but only counting patients with a positive Covid test. In contrast, Scotland seems to be significantly undercounting admissions, perhaps by only including patients who arrive with a positive Covid test.

I am sure that it is a complete coincidence that these happen to play into the particular political narratives of the two First Ministers: Sturgeon’s line is “Covid has been banished but we may have to close the border to keep it out”, and Drakeford’s is “Covid is much much worse over here, so we have to keep everything shut”.

Anyway, I thought it was curious, although admittedly not of the jaw-dropping “count everyone as a Covid death whatever they actually died of” PHE variety.

This is curious, to put it mildly. I know it’s hard to compare Covid hospital admissions and fatalities in the UK with those in other countries because of different recording methods, and in some countries, such as the United States, it’s hard to compare regions for the same reason. But I wasn’t aware that the different UK nations used different methods. Is it possible that the Welsh and Scottish governments are choosing to record Covid hospital admissions differently to suit their particular agendas? If any readers can throw more light on this anomaly, please email me here.

More Under-25 Year-Olds Died From Influenza in a 16 Weeks in 2014/15 Than COVID-19 This Year

A comparison of deaths in 2020 up to July with deaths in England and Wales over a typical 16 week period in previous years

I’m grateful to a reader for pointing out that I used the wrong table from the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication when comparing deaths from Covid in 2020 with deaths from other causes in previous years a couple of days ago. The table I used compared deaths to July 3rd in 2020 with deaths from other causes in England and Wales over a year, when the table I should have used was the one above, comparing deaths to July 3rd with deaths in England and Wales over a typical 16-week period in previous years.

The data is still pretty startling. For instance, it shows that more under-49 year-olds died of suicide and injury/poisonings in a typical 16-week period in 2018 than Covid in 2020 and fewer under-25 year-olds have died from Covid than from road traffic accidents in a typical 16-week period in previous years.

Round-Up

Here’s a round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Theme Tune Suggestions by Readers

Only one today: “Roni Got me Stressed Out” by Chromeo.

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

Note to the Good Folk Below the Line

I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.

We created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, but they became a magnet for spam (apologies for mixed metaphor) so we’ve temporarily closed them. However, we can open them again if some readers volunteer to be moderators. If you’d like to do this, please email Ian Rons, the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster, here.

Gone Fishin’

Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation recently to pay for the upkeep of this site. If you feel like donating, however small the sum, please click here. I’m on holiday in Italy until tomorrow and won’t be doing my usual amount of work on the site until I return. If you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in future updates, email me here.

Salem 2.0

I thought I’d give my readers something to chew on while I’m away: Salem 2.0: The Return of the Religious Police to the Public Square. This is a book about cancel culture that I’ve been working on for a while now, but which took a back seat during the coronavirus crisis. Hoping to get back to it as the crisis recedes – although that’s happening more slowly than any of us hoped. It’s a work in progress, so don’t expect too much.

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Geraint
Geraint
5 years ago

We are now living in a ‘Medico-Fascist’ state. The public health mafia and academic medics – epidemiologists with their assumption-riddled models, virologists with their umpteen different theories regarding transmission, virulence and mortality etc – seem to be driving the agenda that the politicians are lapping up and arming the police to implement their sinister control policies. This is being supported by the compliant state broadcaster (BBC) and most of the rest of the media. Most of the public are cowed, some are aggressively supporting this hysteria and loss of freedoms. We must resist this with every fibre: NO LOCKDOWN, NO MASKS, NO CONTROL, NO SELL-OUT. Freedom is expensive to get and easy to lose, or have it wrested from you….

Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  Geraint

That’s a pretty good summary.

The only modification I would make is to note that there are out there some good scientists who haven’t abandoned the proper basis of rational enquiry or medical ethics – people such as Professors Heneghan and Gupta. The problem is that they are given far less airtime than the graduates of the Mengele O.B.N school.

It’s interesting how many of the latter school, who do boast knighthoods and other trappings of favour are all over the airwaves like a rash when it comes to donning jackboots on the basis of a lethal combination of poor science and crap politics.

PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  Geraint

It’s like I say, “the Nazis used junk science to legitimise a philosophy for enabling a technocracy”:
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/05/surveying-the-triangulation-of-uk-governments-covid-19-tyranny-nazism-and-the-collective-of-equals/

PWL
PWL
5 years ago
Reply to  PWL

And elsewhere “the NHS can reasonably be compared to the Nazi SS, because… ‘it is in the lead in the cult by which Britain is tyrannised'”:
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/05/track-and-trace-and-the-difference-between-covid-19-and-from-with-coronavirus/

Bin-Ra
5 years ago
Reply to  PWL

While NHS is lauded as ‘our guys on the frontline’ (who have the same statistical ‘covid’ profile as the general population), the CVS is in full swing.

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes
5 years ago
Reply to  PWL

SS? Seventy Seventh (Brigade) Wasting your time (and money) on Facebook and everywhere else.

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  PWL

That would be the NHS who seem to have sat on my wife’s brain scan for a suspected tumour for the last 10 weeks.

SD67
SD67
5 years ago
Reply to  Geraint

It’s the health equivalent of the Military Industrial Complex

DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago
Reply to  Geraint

south coast today, no masks anywhere, cafe full , no masks, people walking no masks. its almost like the old normal.

Digital Nomad
Digital Nomad
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Given the ‘Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened’ section on the website has now been rendered obsolete by events, it should be amended to ‘Small Businesses That Have Rejected the mask mandate’ subito, Toby!

Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

He knows his stuff.
“The lie becomes the truth.”
Indeed!

Scotty87
5 years ago

2 hours into my shift in the family convenience store. Unmasked customers are outnumbering the muzzled nearly 2 to 1, with a few even happy to tell me that they think this whole charade is a load of old bollocks.

Going well isn’t it, Mr Hancock!

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

This is our only hope, that the public finally just start to ignore the government.

Andy C
Andy C
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Good stuff. The only way to defeat measures like this is to turn them into the farce they deserve to be. I’ll be visiting my local shop later today, and I can’t imagine for one second that masks will be any more prevalent than they were yesterday.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Go Scotty! Saw that wazzock on Simon Dolan saying you won’t have any customers cos you are killing them all. You are my kind of murderer 🙂

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

YAY!!!!

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Fingers crossed that this will continue and grow. Hopefully the gov and MSM don’t organise a couple of high profile “incidents” to scare the masses into obeying.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

…although they will most probably try!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Boris has been out full of bullshit and propaganda already: “tough times ahead” etc etc.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla
Wendy
Wendy
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Well yes, look what happened when pubs first opened – so called positive cases made 3 pubs have to close. Not heard any more having to close. I am only going in ones that don’t collect names and if I am caught out have 2 ready none names. These really are depressing times.

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

You can almost guarantee if compliance isnt as high as they want, they’ll manufacture some ‘spikes’ and really ramp up the creepy authoritarian adverts for masks

‘Wear a mask or you’ll kill your gran’

In fact, that IT Crowd scene about copyright privacy springs to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

Although it’s more like you’ll kill someone else’s gran so that’s why strangers will shame/attack you.

It’s nice the way they have made it “your mask protects me, my mask protects you” so it means if I don’t wear a mask i don’t want to protect you or your gran.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Looking at how many GPs are (not) treating their paients at the moment, that’s rather hypocritical!

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

That about sums them up. Overpaid bags of wind.

watashi
watashi
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

idiot?

Bella
Bella
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Not interested in their gran. Tell her she doesn’t need to come anywhere near me.

Bella
Bella
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

That’ll be one of the GPs that ran for the hills when this all started and now refuse to let their patients see them one to one then? Wow, that’s empathetic. What this whole thing has taught me is that a lot of (if not most) GPs are idiots. (I make exceptions for the couple/few who post here.)

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Yes a few honourable exceptions.

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Indeed, to which I would say, please feel free to take your mask off too, just dont cough or sneeze in my face, or come and lick me, and we’ll be all good. I promise not to go and assault your gran, now kindly fuck off and leave me alone haha

daveyp
daveyp
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Thing is, I’ve been killing people already all my life by this reasoning, so why stop now!

DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Has your GP friend lost many patients to cv19?

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Like most GPs he’s an overpaid know nothing.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

HURRAY!!!

Wendy
Wendy
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Fantastic

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Cheers.
Death to Handjob.

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

First bit of good news I’ve had for some time…..

Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Just been to the local Co-op. It was muzzle central sadly. The majority of people were muzzled on the street too. Staff in the chemist were dressed in a way more appropriate for an operating theatre. Ridiculous.

InfiniteDissent
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

Same in Waitrose this morning. Almost 100% mask wearing as far as I could see. I think it depends on the demographic — well-off middle-class people are more likely to do what they’re told (presumably due to the acute embarrassment they would suffer from being told off in public).

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

Watch the 1968 film, Candy, and you will see James Coburn perform a very delicate brain surgery operation. Not to be missed.

Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

Same in my local Coop today. As I walked in a man on his way out chirped up “you’ve to wear a mask, mate” in an aggressive tone, so I just growled “no, I don’t” to him and carried on. But I can see how fights will break out over this.

Each and every one, and all the consequences of them, to be laid personally at the feet of each and every member of the government.

watashi
watashi
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

I`m so happy to read this 🙂

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

Well done Scotty!!!!

Polemon2
5 years ago
Reply to  Geraint

How could such selfless and wonderful people take advantage like that! It must be fake news (not).

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Geraint

Bloris just visited Tollgate Medical Centre in Beckton, London. Here are the press photos. The NHS staff make Bloris look slim!

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zacaway
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

What a knob!

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Is this Boris Not Goodenov’s lesson for the day? Out with the fist bump, in with the elbow bump. The New Normal.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

PM Johnson. What a maroon!

Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Why is elbow bumping OK when we are encouraged to cough into our elbows? Fauci fond of standing with his arms crossed too I notice transferring infection from sputum laden elbow to hands. Best not to even attempt to look for logic if madness is to be avoided.

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Geraint

No wonder so many NHS staff are so fat.

Alison
Alison
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

I know I shouldn’t even try to engage with the claptrap on it’s own terms but honestly, can’t Boris at least keep track of the stupid guidance? He’s less than 2m, less than 1m away from the woman in these pictures. He’s touching her for pete’s sake. I thought we were all supposed to remember that masks don’t ameliorate from need for all the social distancing hoo-ha? If he’s going to impose irrational rules, he could at least make the effort to recall what they are.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Alison

Magic Mask Trumps All.

Caro
Caro
5 years ago

I’m not that comforted by the official twitter statements by Sainsbury’s. The lockdown induced panic has spawned a wave of bossy jobsworths who are relishing their little bit of power at this time. I’m afraid I will have to give way because i don’t like being harangued by a 20 year old in a panic.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago

The government have rewritten section 6.1 overnight, yesterday it said there was very little evidence for masks and the effects would be very small, now it’s gone. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/offices-and-contact-centres#offices-6-1

Lili
Lili
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Down the 1984 memory hole.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Lili

They will have to be busy at the ministry of truth because there are still a lot of videos circulating of our leaders and great scientific minds,saying that wearing a mask is next to useless.

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
5 years ago

Manufacturers are even putting disclaimers on boxes of masks confirming that they’re effing useless:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec9KBE7WkAIH7Yt?format=png&name=small

You could find a packet of masks displaying this caveat, show it to a store employee or a terrified mask zealot, and ask them WHY we might be being told by our Dictatorship to wear something that the manufacturer knows, and the Dictatorship knows, and the pseudoscientists “advising” the Dictatorship know, are nothing more than a placebo at best.

Then wait for the cognitive dissonance to kick in.

Andy Riley
Andy Riley
5 years ago
Reply to  Lili

Except that we now have WayBackMachine the internet archive
https://archive.org/web/web.php

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  Andy Riley

You can request to be opted out of that though…

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Is there a copy of the previous guidance available?

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Yeah, does someone have a copy of the original?

microdave
microdave
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Fortunately, I saved the complete web page yesterday – here’s the relevant part (with my bolding): 6.1 Face coveringsThere are some circumstances when wearing a face covering may be marginally beneficial as a precautionary measure. The evidence suggests that wearing a face covering does not protect you, but it may protect others if you are infected but have not developed symptoms. However, workers and visitors who want to wear a face covering should be allowed to do so. A face covering can be very simple and may be worn in enclosed spaces where social distancing isn’t possible. It just needs to cover your mouth and nose. It is not the same as a face mask, such as the surgical masks or respirators used by health and care workers. Similarly, face coverings are not the same as the PPE used to manage risks like dust and spray in an industrial context. Supplies of PPE, including face masks, must continue to be reserved for those who need them to protect against risks in their workplace, such as health and care workers, and those in industrial settings like those exposed to dust hazards. It is important to know that the evidence of the… Read more »

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Well done!

Keen Cook
Keen Cook
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Classic stuff here! Brilliant.

Bella
Bella
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Copy and pasted for my files.

ikaraki
ikaraki
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Excellent work!

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
5 years ago
Reply to  microdave

And the disclaimers now printed on the boxes!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec9KBE7WkAIH7Yt?format=png&name=small

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

The ones my wife bought from Aldi just in case (now personalised with various anti mask slogans), clearly state on the front ‘not to be used as PPE or for medical purposes’. What is the point in this?

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Mask wearing is simply a tool to soften us up for the COMPULSORY Final Solution® Eugenics Vaccine from God-Emperor Bill Gates.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Exactly. We are in very deep trouble.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

It is to make us compliant and demand to be injected with Gates’s depopulating witches brew. And of course to make people look as stupid as most are. Present company excepted, of course.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Send a copy to Boris.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

To the person who spells out long words for him.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

They always were!
Meanwhile, our town is awash with hand filth. All ‘anti- bacterial’. Mostly made in China.
Does the bottle/flask/ vat/barrel say that this muck is useless against viruses?
No. Lying by silence.
And the residue goes straight into the sea.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Funny that….not!

HaylingDave
HaylingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Are you kidding me? And I thought I was a last-minute cowboy …

Government’s July 24th checklist:

  • BBC story coercion … check
  • public shame campaign … check
  • NHS photo opportunities … check
  • Remove contradictory government literature …. che- … oh fuck!

It’s here, by the way, the original:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200721090202/https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/offices-and-contact-centres

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  HaylingDave

Make a copy before it disappears!

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  HaylingDave

Here today, gone tomorrow. Are they trying to muddle our brains or is it their brains that are muddled?

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago

From a scientist friend this morning as a rebuttal to the mask zealots: There is clear evidence that obesity is a massive risk factor for Covid. Let’s apply the same logic. Let’s imagine the government introduced a law to mandate a maximum calorie intake per day of 1500 calories. Being over weight is a known risk factor for ending up in hospital if you catch CV. So a policy that enforced weight loss would mean putting less pressure on health services. By losing weight an individual could help others by making sure they weren’t blocking an intensive care bed that someone else needed to stay alive. A very clear evidence based policy could be made to predict how many lives this law might save – and after all even if it doesn’t save lives it might so surely we should just do it anyway just in case. It’s just an easy thing to do and it’s temporary. We could all then shame fat people in public safe in the knowledge it was for the greater good, and in doing so we were demonstrating we care about others. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Tee Hee – “Look at Boris”, the muzzealots must surely see him as a mass-murderer (and that is ignoring the large-scale corporate manslaughter of which his government is guilty.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Yes, Boris and his team of useless eaters have allowed thousands to die, by suspending medical services for the non-Covid sick. They need to be charged at a minimum with criminal negligence.

mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

And of course, if you are wearing a mask and cannot remove it. you cannot eat . the equivalent of a gastric band . simples

HelzBelz
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

Much cheaper than the surgical gastric bands that Boris was proposing to offer for the obese at the expense of the taxpayer….

Polemon2
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

The campaign for this starts today – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53522492

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Polemon2

This is actually worrying because it will depend who advises the government, which foods are affected.

The current epidemic of obesity and diabetes has been caused by decades of government propaganda to eat less real food like butter, eggs and meat and to eat a lot more seed oils and grains – all made palatable by artificial sweeteners and GM HFCS.

This has been encouraged by supermarkets, whose shelves are mainly full of what I consider to be non-food. Lots of low nutrition in pretty boxes that keeps for weeks on their shelves.

PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

The elephant in the room ( pun intended ), is exercise. A good balanced diet, fresh air and exercise should have been the public health message from the start.

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

+ vitamin D and zinc to fortify the immune system.

Bin-Ra
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

I have a set of old encylopedias that show this WAS known and practiced as standard health care and advice until the Antibiotic struck back.

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I agree, and have often made this point online. Fatties and smokers and those who eat an unhealthy diet as pushed by the MSM (which includes, actually, a lot of “heart-healthy” foods such as refined seed oils) are affecting my health and the cost of my health care, because they degrade the insurance pool, or whatever that is called.

The obesity issue is, along with nursing home deaths, the obvious elephant in the room in the USA death count (and general poor health profile of the US population and esp. of minorities).

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I’m affecting your health by smoking, as it ‘degrades the insurance pool’ ?! But you’re not sure what it is called.

Rarely does one get the chance to witness such a well presented argument, Jane. 🙂

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Seeds, grains, legumes, and nuts are good. And are recommended in the Bible. 🙂

The stuff you mention is also good, Cheese, along with fish, roots, and fruit. And of course chocolate ! Hence the balanced diet recommendation.

Bin-Ra
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

The US Military Industrial Complex set the plan for Food Control post ww2. (Seeds of Destruction by F. William Engdahl has relevance for the capture and control of Food production, processing and distribution – which is part of the bio-tec 4th reich that promotes itself through ‘our Boris’ as a Bright New Future. (See Boris’s inaugural scripted speech at the UN) The agribusiness model or ‘green revolution’ used Big Oil and Big Money to drive out smaller farmers. And so aggressive PR was used to undermine the old normal under mask of science – so as to promote seed oils as a health alternative to butter or lard. Quite apart from the methods of mass farming using toxic biocides – whose consequence is hidden for the most part by ‘infectious diseases’ or idiopathic new disease conditions, the balance of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids is reversed so as to undermine rather than serve health, and the oils themselves are much more unstable with regard to oxidising – for the most part and this also adds to an oxidative load that uses up our antioxidants. On top of which there are chemical processes for non cold-pressed oils that add… Read more »

David Grimbleby,
David Grimbleby,
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

red wine also

Bin-Ra
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

You are closer to the truth. The popular view that fat or obese people are lazy and eat too many calories is a convenient cover story for systemic targeting of the unwary – and the poor in particular with junk foods and other exposures that breakdown the capacity to digest properly (antibiotic effects of such as glyphosate et al, and lack actual nutrition as a result of what is in it, what is done to it and how it is grown. And so there is a case to understand obesity as malnutrition and a compromised immune system. So indeed lack of real foods for those who for whatever reasons most readily conform to agri-corps food management Inc. This is set to radically shift to bio-tech genetically grown factory phoods – along with driving not just people but farmers from the land.

The Medical Mafia is NOT new. Iatrogenic disease is probably topping the charts – but officially it comes in third for UK and US.
We have an Economy driven by debt and coercion that feeds on war and sickness – but until it came home – no one was too bothered.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

The logical conclusion to this is a sort of mask that is not removable, for fatties, like a prison ankle tag, with a special flap that only opens for a short time every day to allow the specified amount of calories to be ingested, then closes again.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

If they use the Fergoid model, it would prove they could save trillions of lives!

A&E checking your BMI before allowing you a bed.

Food stores refusing entry to people whose waist to height ratio was too high ….

zacaway
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I think applying the same logic as facemasks would mean everyone else should wear hazmat suites to protect vulnerable overweight people.

Of course, the logical consequence of all this is that everyone should wear hazmat suites & be tightly controlled forever, since you never know what bugs might be lurking around – even a common cold could kill someone vulnerable!

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

And supermarkets should refuse to sell them fattening foods.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Supermarkets would never adopt that policy. With the possible exception of Aldi and its emphasis on fresh produce, supermarket shelves are three-quarters full of fattening food.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Here we go. You are all losing the plot. You are complaining about the government imposing laws and restrictions on your lives then you rant and rave about people eating fatty foods, smoking, drinking too much beer, eating too many sweets, being obese, etc. You are acting just like the Government. Live let live or shut the fuck up!

Wendy
Wendy
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

This is my pet subject. We can perhaps say the obese persons life style choices are the greatest threat to the nhs that there is and by implication to the health of everyone else in terms of resource use and income tax and availability of services. It’s an extremely emotive subject but it’s a good way to try challenge and get people to look at the absurdity of what has and is currently going on.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Wendy

I don’t think it’s simply about their lifestyle choices.
We’ve been propagandised for decades with lies such as cholesterol causes heart disease, that eggs are unhealthy and that seed oils and grains are a healthy alternative.
It’s been a very successful psy-op which has caused much ill health and suffering. The MSM has played the same part as with the current covid lie, though the covid one has been easier to see because of the compressed timescale.

Nick Rendell
Nick Rendell
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I fail to see why if we’re all happy to give up basic freedoms to do things that are a total waste of time, such as mask wearing, we shouldn’t also be compelled to do sensible things like exercise for 2 hours a day, take vitamin c, d & zinc & eat fresh fruit& vegetables.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Public Health England would love it if you jumped on their anti-sugar, anti-obesity, anti anti anti bandwagon. With them, one step leads to another. That’s why we’re in this mess right now. Defund and disband all ot them and we will see a much more pleasant society to live in for most us.

Steve
5 years ago

If you look at the actual legislation on face coverings, and in particular the exemption list https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/schedule/made you will probably be surprised for just how much is exempt. Take item 17 for example…

Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

What would the rationale for item 19 (casinos) be?

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

This is really quite weird.
Seems like all of the addictions and luxuries are privileged, whereas essentials such as food stores are not. . .

NOTOKWITHTHIS
NOTOKWITHTHIS
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

If you also look at what section it is made under you will see that by reason of urgency it was not laid before both Houses. Urgency as considered by Secretary of State. Is in the introduction

InfiniteDissent
5 years ago
Reply to  NOTOKWITHTHIS

It was so “urgent” that they waited two whole weeks to implement it after the announcement, but they couldn’t find time to debate it in parliament during those two weeks because of its “urgency”.

AngloWelshDragon
5 years ago

The fantastic news about Nick Buckley is a ray of sunshine on an otherwise very grim day. Well done to the FSU and Toby. I strongly recommend everyone to join the FSU because this situation is going to get worse before it gets better, not least for those of us publicly espousing Covid-sceptical views.

Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago

Well done to Tony & Team

Wendy
Wendy
5 years ago

Yes, I second that as I am losing friends and family all the time. If I want to see these people I have to keep my mouth shut which is unpleasant. Another issue is anyone admitted to hospital with a virus is painted as Covid when in fact there are many other viruses which cause illness and death. It’s as if no one knew this before and has conveniently forgotten it now.

Bin-Ra
5 years ago
Reply to  Wendy

I agree with your message in principle but add that a lack of true nutrition, toxic ingestions and exposures, persistent strain of conflicted psychic-emotional imbalance and Iatrogenesis all play a larger role in disease than the trillion dollar virology-cum bio-genetics lobby would want you to know. The use of fear to sharpen the mind can also be used to shape the charge to specified research goals. Such that vast sums are diverted to research climate – but through the Anthropomorphic narrative assertion. Not to study climatology as a whole. Likewise the findings of biology far exceed the applications allowed into a virologically controlled narrative. If you stress or shock or toxify cell cultures – they produce viral reactions. The thing about investing in false premises, that initially seem to profit us, is that when it becomes apparent we were wrong, we rarely openly admit the error, but seek to conceal it in the extension of the false premise, adjusted to mask the true disclosure. This generates a coercive and opaque or schizophrenic and pathological mindset of fragmentation that becomes ever more lost in its own spin. It is not just the Captains of Industry who and Leaders of State who… Read more »

Bella
Bella
5 years ago
Reply to  Wendy

Friend of mine has had gastric symptoms that have been worrying her for three months. GP (over phone of course) said it might be Covid (!!!!????) and prescribed antibiotics (for a friggin’ virus!!!!)????) No question of getting a referral.

David Mc
David Mc
5 years ago

Toby, the silence of the human rights lobby is not at all surprising to anybody who has been closely following the career of human rights law over the past few decades, as I have. (It’s my day job.) Human rights long ago transformed from being the legal means by which the individual is protected from the state, into the legal justification for its “positive” action. To your average modern human rights advocate, human rights are achieved BY the state, which is supposed to “protect, respect and fulfil” them. To such people there is therefore no controversy in lockdowns whatsoever: they help us to fulfil our right to health and ultimately our right to life, from which all other rights stem. Case closed.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

I’ve written to Liberty three times, not a sausage!

Rachel
Rachel
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Have you seen this https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63681/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=Website. Just not at all well subscribed. Perhaps it says something about their supporters? But anyway, it’s there.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Liberty SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jubs
Jubs
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I’ve written to them too and received zero response. The silence from all these organisations is deafening and utterly bizarre.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Jubs

They’re probably too busy sitting furloughed in their gardens to be answering emails.

Rachel
Rachel
5 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

Toby, I found this petition from Liberty https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63681/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=Website, which is bang on the money, ie repeal the bloody act. I don’t know why it hasn’t been picked up more by social media (they have 65K followers), or maybe I do. Anyway, my point was that at least one reasonably high profile human rights org (even if I don’t agree with everything they’re about) has started up precisely the sort of petition that is needed. Maybe lockdown sceptics can help get the word out more? Thanks Rachel.

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

Yes – I think Toby was just pointing this out!

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

I just looked at the 38Degrees website – all the front page and all the promoted campaigns = the usual virtue signalling BS. Not one campaign about lockdown, masks, shutting down of NHS services, etc. FAIL

John Devine
John Devine
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

I unsubscribed from 38 Degrees earlier this week when they sent an email asking me to support a petition on mandatory mask wearing in every situation…

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

But the European Court of Human Rights is loaded with cases of individuals against governments.
Of course, it has to be the right sort of individual and the right sort of government.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

International Court of Justice. Yoohoo? Crickets.

WhyNow
WhyNow
5 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

Yes, that’s remarkable. Stalin as the agent of liberty for the oppressed proletariat.

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-23/virus-can-jump-26-feet-at-cold-meat-plants-filled-with-stale-air?sref=ZMFHsM5Z
I only have the news report and not the original article. This is interesting as the investigators (according to another news agency summaries) also discarded cramped living conditions as a case of the outbreak, which was previously suspected. It seemed to be one person behind the whole outbreak. This is not surprising for anyone that a respiratory virus also can spread in the air for long distances even though it might not be the primary way of transmission. This virus behaves like all respiratory virus and you cannot use Laws against this virus or masks as it will always outsmart you. Even Michael Ryan, the discredited WHO lead, also admitted yesterday that we have to learn to live with this virus.

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

You couldn’t make it up!
Only they did…

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1286570696399888384
This is getting more interesting. This plant was closed for a long time investment in brand new ventilation.Then opened to all recommendations done from experts. And just today the above“Twenty persons working in the plant has just been tested positive  for Covid-19 in the plant again”

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Dodgy batch of tests?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

A virus can jump 50x further than a flea!
Who’d have thought it?

Remind me, how any legs does a virus have?

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

How do viruses compare with Mexican Jumping Beans?

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
d barton
d barton
5 years ago

He was a bullshitter at Eton, and remains so today

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  d barton

He is becoming a pretty desperate bullshiter these days!

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago

Always has been, always will be. He’s a farce and should never have been let anywhere near power. Same can be said for anyone who would be in line to replace him, unfortunately.

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago

So all those people who are cautious about being given a completely new, relatively untested vaccine are now considered the same as flat-earthers, “climate change deniers,” etc.
Or in other words, when they don’t have a good argument backed up by facts, they call you names instead.

d barton
d barton
5 years ago

Lucky old England. In the Marxist utopia that is Wales the foul mouthed health secretary has ordered the permanent closure of all hospital A and E departments.(not I’m not making it up, google it).

It was found that during the non flu hysteria many empty wards achieved a zero mortality rate. In an effort to save more lives they will remain closed

On the upside local tax payers will receive a rebate proportionate to the cost savings (that bit I did make up)

PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  d barton

What the!?

The Spingler
The Spingler
5 years ago
Reply to  d barton

Can’t find anything? There is discussion about adopting the Scandinavian system of non life threatening cases phoning ahead and getting a time to attend as opposed to sitting in A&E waiting rooms for 8 hours.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Where in Scandinavia is that? Not the case in Sweden… Here we have smaller ‘närakuten’ centres (not within the hospital), where they deal with minor injuries and illnesses (eg UTIs); you can only book under certain circumstances, but they have long opening times (closed at night though). They deal with urgent, but not immediately life-threatening cases.
It is sort of first come, first served, although some triaging goes on. They send you to A & E if they deem it necessary. It works well 🙂

Keen cook
Keen cook
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

The more I hear about Sweden the more I like it!

watashi
watashi
5 years ago
Reply to  Keen cook

me too! seems like a good place to move to.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Keen cook

Everybody move to Sweden! Bye Boris! Matt! Dominic! Cressida! Sadiq! Nicola! Enjoy ghost town London.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  d barton

That surely can’t be true….
I did read an article on somewhere else, where you were going to have to book A & E appointments (hello, like you can ‘plan’ to break a limb or have a heart attack!), but closing A & E altogether????

Jubs
Jubs
5 years ago
Reply to  d barton

Not true of the Royal Glamorgan hospital: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/health-board-confirms-royal-glamorgan-18507185. I suspect they’re all trying to go over to the “phone triage first” system that’s currently on trial in Cardiff.

d barton
d barton
5 years ago
Reply to  Jubs

Yet, you are on the list

Harry Hopkins
Harry Hopkins
5 years ago

Supermarket pushing back?

Some days ago I posted on here my experience at Booths supermarket in Ilkley—Yorkshire, when I had a discussion with the store manager concerning the up coming masks guidance. This discussion was quite positive and the manager was pleasant and understanding. Lord knows it’s difficult for all of us, not least businesss, trying to make sense of this destructive governments’s policies as they roll out from day to day.

This morning I received an E-mail from Booths which indicates to me that they are trying to navigate the swamp of government ineptitude. This is it:

http://boothsnews.co.uk/interface/external_view_email.php?AJ91222662938228049553735zzzzz64e84c5cbaf82fe508a85fd9f91d9d66976b9342fa20de7f869c8c76565e80b886

So Booths are giving away sunflower lanyards that you can wear around your neck instead of a mask. Whilst it may not appeal to those of us who refuse to wear masks because it infringes our basic human rights it at least gives an avenue to those who have genuine health concerns and indeed those who would rather wear a lanyard than a mask. if push comes to shove I know which I would prefer. So I’m going to say to Booths a cautious—well done!
.

arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry Hopkins

But why should you wear a “mask substitute” ?

Harry Hopkins
Harry Hopkins
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

I totally agree and I won’t be wearing one myself. However, perhaps Booths are aware of the problem of ‘peer pressure’ and the totally disgraceful situation that might arise if and when people are verbally abused for not wearing a mask when their medical condition dictates that it would be harmful to them. And also, don’t forget, that whilst very many people think the whole mask business is a farce it’s not all of them who are like you and me and are determined to stick to our guns.

The Spingler
The Spingler
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry Hopkins

A definite well done to Booths. I had a holiday job with them eons ago, making pizzas. Happy days 🙂

Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry Hopkins

A Booths senior executive was on BBC Breakfast this morning. He said all the stores would “greet” customers on arrival and inform them that they needed to wear a mask.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Reply to  arfurmo

you are right – but what an excellent response from a responsible retailer…

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry Hopkins

Good for them to be fair. I’m going to Ilkley this afternoon as it happens!

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry Hopkins

That’s actually quite clever. Replace one pointless imposition with another pointless imposition that’s far less…… impositiony.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry Hopkins

Good for Booths, my favourite supermarket!
Ironically, Ilkley is my nearest one but not near enough for regular shopping.

If masks are supposed to instil confidence in scared shoppers, the lanyards will definitely increase confidence in those who can’t or don’t want to wear a mask.

It’s actually more of a symbol of power that it might at first look.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry Hopkins

Don’t encourage them it might become permanent.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago

The Indy lose the internet today. “As a woman, I find wearing a face mask liberating – I’m no longer judged on my appearance”
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/women-face-masks-coronavirus-appearance-shopping-a9634506.html
These people’s minds are so open their brains have fallen out. It also confirms this is now about faith and honour, not science. Why not just mandate the niqab? Same difference.

Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

What kind of people even think of writing such articles? some of the stuff the mainstream media are producing every day is just absolutely crazy.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Reply to  Darryl

erm…. idiots?

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago

Useful IDIOTS

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

The idiots are writing for even bigger idiots. It’s all a plot to make their readers’ brains dissolve completely.

Fortunately for us, we’re not their target audience of vain airheads.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

People who have lost their other stream of income?

Edna
Edna
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

“These people’s minds are so open their brains have fallen out”
Great comment! Sad article though.

Lili
Lili
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

It’s the Sharia Independent – I’d expect nothing less.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

The bad, the bad and the ugly.
And, of course, the ugly woman wants all women to be equally ugly. If you haven’t read this

http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

read it now.
.

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Get thee to Saudi Arabia!
🙄🙄🙄🙄

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Telegraph running a ‘mask hair’ article, and I think it was Marie Claire, how to accentuate your eyes. Meanwhile all I’m thinking, “FFS we are celebrating people COVERING THEIR FACES!!”

Alison
Alison
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

In a very crowded market, this is the stupidest thing I have seen in a week.

Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

That is the same reasoning that some Muslim women use to explain wearing the niqab & / or burka. It is also common in Japan – many women wear masks to hide they are not wearing make up. I despair – again!

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

That’s crazy, its the same argument they were trotting out years ago after Jack Straw made his comments about the niqab being a barrier to communication.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

The government of Quebec wanted to ban Muslim women from wearing the hijab at their place of work eight years ago. The hysteria about it went on for months. They were also going to ban people wearing sunglasses from using public transport buses. Now they want us all to wear masks. Make up your mind, eh?

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

I’m secretly praying for a crime wave.

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

There’s gonna be one when furlough runs out.

Hubes
Hubes
5 years ago

Friday shopping trip complete.

Tesco Express and Lidl. No mask, no questions, no problems, as expected. Just walked straight into both and shopped as normal.

Sad thing was everybody else in both shops had a face nappy on and the Lidl staff were wearing them too. I asked the girl on the checkout if they had been made to wear them and she said yes. I told her she should challenge that as I believe it’s against the law. She said it was horrible with it on.

I feel really sorry for the staff of these places. Especially ones who are shy and scared to speak up against this nonsense.

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

Roughly which part of the world are you in?

Hubes
Hubes
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

I’m in the West Midlands

PoshPanic
5 years ago

Just reposting on this update, in case there’s any takers..

Does anybody know of any studies that have been done re sepsis deaths, during this period? I’ve searched, but can’t seem to find any mention and don’t recall seeing any articles mentioning it. It was one of the big killers in hospitals particularly, with some failings in some hospitals. But the ONS figures don’t cover it and all searches just show previous FOI requests.
I’m just curious as to why there has been little discussion of it, in comparison to bat flu?
A couple of articles from Jan..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51138859
https://news.sky.com/story/sepsis-is-bigger-killer-than-three-types-of-cancer-combined-study-11910168

Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Good question. Covid and Sepsis both share cytokine storm as the thing that could kill you.

Sepsis can easily be treated by using the Marik Protocol (hydrocortisone, intravenous Vitamin C and intravenous thiamin/vitamin B1) but it is not used by the NHS – Covid patients will also benefit from this. If my child/family member died or was maimed by Sepsis and the health services failed to treat them with this protocol I would be extremely upset. This protocol is cheap and could save many lives.

Hydrocortisone, Vitamin C, and Thiamine for the Treatment of Severe Sepsis and Septic Shock
https://journal.chestnet.org/article/S0012-3692(16)62564-3/fulltext

http://nwcriticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/The-Marik-Protocol-final-2017.pdf

PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Thanks, that’s interesting about the treatment. I’m curious if somehow, sepsis is lying hidden in the figures somewhere. The fact that symptoms can be similar, at least deserves a closer look.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I had wondered how many people have died at home from sepsis because they couldn’t get treatment for appendicitis or abscesses. Didn’t know about the cytokine storm though. Big question!

Steve Martindale
Steve Martindale
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Soon after this farrago started they changed the procedure for confirming and registering deaths, in my view the only thing the death statistics now tell you with any certainty is that someone has died! Many deaths have multiple causes listed, when my Mum died there were 3 listed causes, these days it seems that Covid is being tacked on as one of the multiple causes. I understand that when they investigated one reported Covid death it turned out to actually be a fatal motorbike accident! If you consider the way deaths are being recorded and the way dodgy pillar 2 tests keeping throwing up positives, Covid is becoming the Hotel California of virus infections, ‘you can end the infection any time you like, but you can never leave the lock-down’.

Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

No sepsis – but a while back I was having a telephone (obviously) discussion with my allocated colorectal nurse, who said that the main effect of the panic and shutdown was actually a decrease in infections like norovirus – because people were washing their hands conscientiously.

PoshPanic
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Could some of the below average numbers since June, be because there are fewer hospital spread infections generally?

Youth_Unheard
Youth_Unheard
5 years ago

Can you believe this? They have put in that the mask restrictions don’t need to be reviewed for 6 MONTHS! Of course this is in theory if the majority comply, but if they do then there is just no way out! *EDIT*Someone did point it out on yesterday’s comments about the time period but it is somewhere buried deep in the thousand comments, very good going keeping the conversation alive and kicking! http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-for-6-to-12-months-from-24th-july/ Also interesting on the consequences of people inadvertently breaking the law by shaming people : “Businesses and their staff are best advised not to challenge those who refuse to wear a face covering. Otherwise, at some point in the day there is likely to be a time when someone with a disability is challenged. Depending on how the situation develops, and this could be within minutes or seconds, a situation may arise when the business, and the person conducting the challenge, may find they have committed: an offence for which they are liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010; and/or an act of disability discrimination and be ordered to pay to any… Read more »

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Youth_Unheard

You’d BETTER believe it! Anything is possible with this shower, anything.

BecJT
BecJT
5 years ago
Reply to  Youth_Unheard

Yep it’s in place for a year, reviewed after six months. They also removed over night the bit about lack of evidence and small to no effect.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Youth_Unheard

Note that last paragraph.
Print it out, carry it with you. Stick it on windows of zombie shops.

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1.full.pdf
“Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic”This article published 24th April by a single author but not in a prestigious paper but on research gate was never in the public space.This is a quote “Comparison of pre and post lockdown observations reveals a counter-intuitive slowdown in the decay of the epidemic after lockdown. Estimates of daily and total deaths numbers using pre-lockdown trends suggest that no lives were saved by this strategy, in comparison with pre-lockdown, less restrictive, social distancing policies.”The article is complicated mathematics. Michael Levitt was surprised yesterday to see this for him  unknown article. It seems that both scientists independently using mathematics came to the same conclusion (my amateurish take of it)

profund chap
profund chap
5 years ago

Why vaccinate children?

More risk of being struck by lightening and study in saxony tells is they are a break I the chain.

Bedwetters no doubt will be lining their kids up.

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes
5 years ago
Reply to  profund chap
MDH
MDH
5 years ago

A quick update following my mini-meltdown yesterday. Last night me and the OH met with a friend for a pizza at our local. Little if any difference, aside from a few fewer tables. The takeaway trade was hugely busy, and the staff were as agreeably bonkers as ever (masked, but up and down like the Italian economy) and the food excellent.

Fact is, we could go back to normal normal now. But instead, the government are trapped by their own hype and outright lies. So the charade must continue no matter what the cost.

I’ve shelled out 11/- for a Sunflower card. Given that it’s now admitted that the mask is nothing more than a talisman, then I shall rely on my own talisman to protect me from aggressive mask enforcers and brandish it at arm’s length like a crucifix before a vampire. “Away! Away vile zealot!!” “Agent of the Death Minister!!” Could make quite a scene.

I’m tempted to enter the supermarket clutching a bunch of sweet violets. If challenged I shall say: “Sir/Madam, ’tis but a fragrant NOSEGAY to ward off the POX!”

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  MDH

I often have found myself whistling Ring-a-Ring-a-Roses as I walk about shops.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Well, it would appear Lord Percy is running the country.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Compared to those who are running the country, Percy was an intellectual giant. And Baldric an Einstein.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

But there was a genuine plague when that was first sung.

MDH
MDH
5 years ago
Reply to  MDH

Oh, and because I stupidly gave my email address to the “Conservative” party a year or so again, I’ve had a begging letter from Boris this morning asking me to make a donation. I may chance a visit to Conservative HQ when I next feel the urge to void. But that’s the only deposit they’ll be getting from me.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  MDH

My dog will deposit something for you.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  MDH

11 bob. Love it.

John Devine
John Devine
5 years ago
Reply to  MDH

Brilliant post, actually laughed out loud…er..but what exactly is a Sunflower Card..?

Awkward Git
5 years ago

Hearing the propaganda blitz on radio and TV this morning about how everyone is wearing masks and happy about it, the DJs taking the mickey and bad mouthing people who contact them as an anti-mask and so on you would think that all these first-hand reports from people on here were all lies.

MSM – total wank merchants and now 100% propaganda related.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

M asturbation and S ubmission M erchants

Lili
Lili
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

They’re lying. They will also be bombarding the airwaves today, pretending to be ordinary members of the public to promote the muzzling.

Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

The propaganda campaign really is breathtaking in its scale. I don’t think the vast majority of the population even realise they are being brainwashed. When I look at any news site I just have endless NHS and government adverts and then the occasional company saying thank you to the NHS.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Anti-Brainwashing badge anyone?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154016480170

Domw
Domw
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Thanks for doing this. I’ve ordered mine already, along with a few spares 🙂

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Wearing mine at the moment. 🙂

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Except there’s a lot of people who have been pretty much abandoned by the NHS, or by dental practices, GPS, etc, who will be feeling less than charitable towards any of them, which will include the government and their advisors. And if they’ve not been directly affected, they will probably know someone who has, e.g. my sister, who cannot get her root canal treatment completed, and has a tooth infection and pain.
Her husband needed a blood test, was told by the GP practice they couldn’t do anything until October. They then contacted him 3 times to collect a blood request form, but when he got there, wouldn’t give it to him without photo ID. New rules, they said.
I likened it to being in Soviet Russia (see the excellent series, Chernobyl, to see what Imean.)

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

The NHS has become a cowardly, craven organisation that has rowed back on it’s responsibility to patients. We’re in a mind bogglingly stupid situation of protecting the NHS because it needs to be protected so it can look after us by not looking after us. I sometimes wonder if I died in March and am in a hell which looks a bit like normal life but with mass psychosis.

Alison
Alison
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Speaking of corporate propaganda, saw a ridiculous poster outside branch of Barclay’s today saying NHS staff welcome to skip the queue as, if they required to attend a branch during this time of “national emergency” it must be an essential visit for them and really important that they be allowed to do it quickly. Just incredibly embarrassing.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Alison

I hate that priority over the NHS shit, it’s sickening. I watched a fat woman with a bad lockdown suntan jump the queue at Waitrose a while ago now and wave a ID card at the guard. They had been watching her in the car park and they thought she had been up to something, they checked her card very carefully before letting her go in. I just couldn’t believe the cheek of her, there were about 20 people in the queue, I just could not do that.

kbeanie
5 years ago

Signatures have surpassed the 12k mark 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430

nowhereman
nowhereman
5 years ago
Reply to  kbeanie

Signed!

Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  kbeanie

I don’t want to pee on the pansies … but this is far too small a number for this stage.

But, I’l keep fingers crossed..

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

It’s the minimum number required for a government response – think we need 10 x that for there to be a debate in Parliament on it…

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Mind you a proper debate = opposing parties thrashing out their views to try to change opinions or reach a consensus.

There are no opposing views in parliament. So, it’ll be a quick chat where people will agree it’s necessary and maybe decide to make exemptions more formal or something.

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

It’s gone up 3,000 in the last 12 hours – while most were asleep. Even at that rate it will reach 100,000 in two more weeks…

John Mirra
John Mirra
5 years ago
Reply to  kbeanie

Signed. It’s over 13K now

If you look at the data for this petition you can see where people are signing it from. It warms my heart that over 30 people from my constituency have signed it.

Seems like the South East, North West and London are the places most signatures are coming from.

kbeanie
5 years ago
Reply to  John Mirra

South East signer here 👍🏻

DressageRider
DressageRider
5 years ago
Reply to  kbeanie

Now over 14,000 and Eastbourne a hotspot – so proud of East Sussex efforts!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  John Mirra

32 in mine!

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  kbeanie

You need 88k more to really pack a punch.

Ryan
Ryan
5 years ago

REMEMBER – SELF EXEMPT

Just fired this off:
enquiries@metfed.org.uk
Feel free to send one as well

I wish to register a complaint again John Apter.

It is reported in today’s Guardian that he said:

‘I would urge retail outlets to play their part in making the rules crystal clear: if you are not wearing a face covering then you are not coming in.’

(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/jul/24/uk-coronavirus-live-face-masks-compulsory-england-shops-covid-19-latest-news-updates)

This does not take into consideration the exemptions to the law which will allow people like me to enter shops without a mask.

I object to the ignorance of the statement as well as the tone in which it is delivered. He is also clearly inciting Stores to break Discrimination and Equality law.

In my opinion Mr Apter should be disciplined for his ignorant comments and release a full apology.

Yours sincerely,
Non Muzzler

Edna
Edna
5 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

Excellent email.

Cbird
Cbird
5 years ago

from Pets at Home today:

“We’re here for all the things you need to care for your VIP. We’ve also made it safe and easy to shop in our stores, and visit our grooming salons or vet practices.

In response to local guidance from tomorrow, 24th July, a face covering must now be worn when visiting us.”

No mention of exemptions. Have emailed the COO (peterdirect@petsathome.co.uk) telling him I will no longer be shopping there

Victoria
Victoria
5 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

There are many great online pet type shops. This one delivers pet food and many other accessories, great service. http://www.viovet.co.uk

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

I just email peter and I don’t even have a pet. Just for shits and giggles.

Albie
Albie
5 years ago

I’ve just been to Card Factory. I had a couple of cards in my hand still browsing when a female middle-aged maskless assistant asked me to put a mask on. I just put the cards back and left without a word. I hope when Card Factory inevitably announce redundancies she thinks back to moments like that, playing a part in her own misfortune. I’m not explaining to anyone I am medically exempt, you either leave me to shop without a mask or I leave.

Hubes
Hubes
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Spot on

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

All they have seen/heard is “Masks compulsory”. They haven’t looked at exemptions or *anything*. Christ, they were making it up before the ‘law’ was published.

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Yes. In this day and age of training, what training have these door people been given on the new regs that came out less than 24 hours ago. There should be a lead in period while businesses adapt with a very light touch etc.

But no, they (the bad ones) just rush it in full blast like the collaborators they are.

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

They will have had no training. We’ve just had an in store email thing about it which I suspect most people will have just skipped past when looking for their payslips/shifts etc. Maybe there was a briefing this morning for the instore staff, but I’d be surprised.

Albie
Albie
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Clearly not. Shame on any CEOs who have told staff to implement this, too. I felt a mixture of emotions when I was leaving. The overriding feeling is one of absurdity of a maskless person telling another maskless person to put on a mask. Also, the cards my disease ridden hands touched could be touched by other shoppers later. They’ll have a mask on though so that will save them surely! This is just beyond ridiculous.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Let’s see, would I rather cards (or food!) touched by you, or by someone who has been fiddling with a snot soaked face rag all day? Answers on a used mask, please…

Albie
Albie
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

I still don’t think Cressida Dick got anywhere near enough criticism for her appalling comments condoning shoppers being shamed into mask wearing. The head of the Met actively encouraging citizens to abuse each other is a disgrace. Does she not know that verbal abuse often leads to violence or is she thick?

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Not thick just EVIL

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

She didn’t mention an ethnic minority or religion, so she’s in the clear.

mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Police policy. On BBC breakfast tv at 6.16ish Chief constable of Devon and Cornwall – Shaun Sawyer .. “you are in someones premises, they have invited you in. and if you “abuse” that invitation the role of police is no different …. we would ask you to respect the individual but if we are called we are going to ask you through them to leave and if you dont there is a chance that you will get arrested. Just look at yourself in the mirror and ask “why am i being like this” treat them with respect, buy the product and leave with a smile on your face and if you cant do that you have not been listening to what has been happening over the last 6 months. ”

Of course, how can anyone see you have a smile on your face if you are wearing a nappy. But otherwise i am lost for words

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

So basically if the staff (or I’m guessing any nasty fellow shopper) calls the police, then they will arrest you if you do not leave the shop, ignoring any exemption you might have. You are only ‘safe’ if no one actually calls the police…

mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Just realised, no mention made of “the police will fine you” he has gone straight to arrest.. for what? not for not wearing a mask .. so for refusing to leave… so is this for breach of the peace?
I would like someone to give a legal guidance on this .

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

According to Francis Hoar, not wearing a mask is a civil offence not a criminal one, so if you are arrested, then it is deemed ‘kidnap’.. He has a good thread on his Twitter account regarding it.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

It would be the refusal to leave when requested that gets you arrested.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Unless you’d gone to deliberately provoke trouble, there would be no reason to stay if asked to leave.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Sky .. fall … head …

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Given the reach of social media, you’d think shops would have more sense than to alienate a peaceful customer.

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

” not been listening to what has been happening over the last 6 months. ”

We have. And for a number of years before that. That’s why we’re engaging in civil disobedience. They can’t provide reasonable evidence, but name calling and public shaming instead, which is why we believe it’s B.S.

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

The former mayor of New York City, Michael Bloomberg-close friend to Bill Gates-urged New Yorkers to shame and ridicule smokers to their faces. What’s the diff? None.

David Grimbleby,
David Grimbleby,
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

the latter

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Note that the assistant was not wearing a mask herself – hypocrite!

Paul
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

That doesn’t surprise me,Card Factory in my experience is rude staff and even worse customers.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Never been, now I know not to bother. Thanks.

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Should have handed them to her and then walked out.

Hubes
Hubes
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Nope. They won’t realise what is going on until they are called into a meeting and told they are losing their jobs and even then some of them won’t put 2 and 2 together.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Unfortunately they don’t. Like I’ve always said they have been too cowardly to stand up to all this antisocial distancing nonsense and have forgotten that their customers deserve to be treated as human beings worth of respect and not as lepers.

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/time-course-of-the-immune-response-to-experimental-coronavirus-infection-of-man/6C633E4EFDAEB2B4C0E3986
This is a 11 year old article about experimental infection of volunteers with Corona virus 229E one of our common cold virus. Must have some relevance for Covid-19?Quote about antibodies “Although concentrations were still slightly raised 1 year later, this did not always prevent reinfection when volunteers were then challenged with the homologous virus. However, the period of virus shedding was shorter than before and none developed a cold. All of the uninfected group were infected on re-challenge although they also appeared to show some resistance to disease and in the extent of infection. These results are discussed with reference to natural infections with coronavirus and with other infections, such as rhinovirus infections.

Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

and none developed a cold”

That’s the killer line when you read the word ‘cases’ (of the presence of a virus).

guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Yes this was very interesting. It was referenced by the Tom Chivers article in Unherd the other day. Your link didn’t seem to work for me but I think this is the same paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2271881/.

There was all this fuss in the news about how Covid-19 antibodies were present in low levels and fell quickly in mild cases. But why should this be unexpected? We just never went around measuring antibodies in people who weren’t that ill before. Except in that one study which seems to confirm that there’s nothing particularly unusual about Covid.

The same thing with the asymptomatic cases. This very likely happens often with other viruses too. It’s just we don’t usually go around doing mass testing of people who have nothing wrong with them.

Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago

Trying to see where this all ends the Times has a leading opinion piece today saying how low paid workers are going to be replaced by technology. There seems to be a real effort being made in the background by the establishment to make sure the old normal doesn’t return and that there is a new normal as spoken about from day one.

It looks suspiciously like a large amount of the population is being written off in the name of ‘progress’.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

This is what The Corona Project is all about, a social catalyst for massive global change. The re-purposing of the global economy to make it sustainable. The global lockdown was the primary objective, all the rest is propaganda.

Darryl
Darryl
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

It does look like it is a dishonest way to get things implemented that voters wouldn’t agree to normally. I was watching a video on Technocracy earlier and it certainly raises my suspicions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKdsL57SUZo

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

It’s a real thing. No need to be suspicious, its obvious.

Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Add in what amounts to the world’s biggest single transfer of funds after the 2019 bankers meeting in Jackson Hole when Blackrock said a reset was going to happen.

US Treasury and Federal reserve have been merged and the running of it given over to Blackrock who promptly took billions.

https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/04/blackrock-megacorporation-just-took-over-the-us-treasury-and-federal-reserve/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-21/how-larry-fink-s-blackrock-is-helping-the-fed-with-bond-buying

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BLEDFYb4lD8

Where is all the money going prior to the “great reset”?

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Jeff Bezos??

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Just google “World Economic Forum The Global Reset”

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

The climate change doom mongering didn’t work but this sure did.The whole world cowering under their bed sheets over a flu

Lockdown Truth
5 years ago

“Climate change” is still there. That will be a long term “new normal” as zero carbon is foisted on us just like Covid. The fact that very few people are fighting back on Covid will embolden the zero carbon agenda.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

My point is neither are real.they are just an excuse for the state to take total control of our lives

Paul M
Paul M
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

It is clear on the World Economic Forum website what the agenda is and that covid is just the catalyst. Covid is not the worlds biggest problem they state, it is the fact that we are too affluent.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Paul M

yep

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Paul M

It’s on the WHO website as well – find it hard that people still say it is just conspiracy theory…

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Exactly – seen more than one article saying the vaccine will be sterilising as well, although that won’t show up for 7 years apparently. Population reduction…

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

That’s sustainable!

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Just read that Bill Gates has said it will take 2 doses of the new corona vaccine to work.sorry don’t know how to post links but it’s in the HuffPost

anon
anon
5 years ago

to work

to work

these people are pure evil. I would like to restrain doktor bill gates and fill him with his dodgy vaccines and nano chips until he gets the blue screen of death.

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  anon

And his awful “wife.”

richard riewer
richard riewer
5 years ago
Reply to  anon

I used to get the blue screen of death all the time. I blocked MS automatic updates and now have fewer problems than before.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Surely most low paid jobs can’t be done by technology?
I know my local Sainsbury’s have replaced most of the checkout staff with robots but a real person cleans the toilets and empties the bins.

d barton
d barton
5 years ago

I thought the Dictator was going to Scotland? He flew over Scotland to Orkney, where he caught crabs (not for the first time I suspect)

There were many people in Glasgow waiting to kiss him, never mind, next time

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  d barton

Would that be the world-famous Glasgow kiss?

d barton
d barton
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I’m a non violent refusnik, but I can’t speak for ‘Jimmy’

Rick H
Rick H
5 years ago

On the issue of ‘Covid’ admissions to hospital – I keep an eye on the CEBM updates – and they have shown a reduction to insignificant levels. There is clearly no evidence of ‘spikes’, waves’ or any other mythical beasts.

Of course, we have no guarantee of the future – but when have we ever? – and when did we ever implement massively invasive measures based on a near zero probablitity of an event? e might as well be digging Anderson shelters in the back garden – and anyone who wants to ‘stay safe’ in this perverted sense should sell their car and stop crossing *any* roads. For anyone wearing a mask – just let me know when you’ve done these things, so that I can do my own poll on the numbers of safety conscious good fairies.

But, behind any figures mentioning ‘Covid’ as a distinct ‘disease’ (and particularly deaths), there is one startling, amazing scientific fact we have to recognize that :

WE DON’T F.ING KNOW!

.. because the whole thing is so totally screwed – like a Saudi Arabian thief counting on his fingers..