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No time for an update today, but here’s a round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours (and a special thanks to Mitesh Kariah who has been tirelessly flagging stories up for me for months):
- ‘How to Talk to People Who Won’t Wear Face Masks‘ – Unintentionally amusing piece in Teen Vogue about how to talk crazy non-mask wearers back from the precipice
- ‘Public Health England’s exaggerated death statistics are a scandal that has fed fear‘ – Strong stuff from Matthew Lesh in the Telegraph
- ‘“Game-changing” coronavirus antibody test passes first major trials‘ – New finger-prick test that is 98.6% accurate, apparently
- ‘The media’s Jihad against Sweden’s no-lockdown policy ignores key policy facts‘ – Good post by Ryan McMaken for the Mises Institute blog
- ‘Google will ban ads from running on stories spreading debunked coronavirus conspiracy theories‘ – Does this mean Google is demonetising the WHO?
- ‘Free speech and civil rights go hand in hand‘ – Timely reminder from Kevin Yuill in Spiked that free speech and minority rights are complementary and not in opposition to each other
- ‘Wales is planning for a nightmare scenario with coronavirus this winter‘ – God help the Welsh
- ‘Parents should stop worrying about making their children socially distance‘ – Good piece by Rosa Silverman in the Telegraph
- ‘Man charged with fraudulently claiming $9m in coronavirus relief and gambling with it in Las Vegas‘ – At least someone’s having fun
- ‘No wonder this committee thinks it runs the country‘ – Juliet Samuel takes aim at SAGE
- ‘Why coronavirus deaths remain low in the US despite surge in new cases‘ – Mandatory reading for bed-wetters
- ‘My husband’s drinking problem hit in lockdown‘ – No, it’s not by Mrs Young. Quiet at the back
- ‘Hatred of Donald Trump is warping news, warns BBC’s Jon Sopel‘ – He’s not wrong
- ‘IRS Announces Taxpayers Can Make Checks Directly Payable To Any Corporation Or Billionaire They Want This Year‘ – Did someone say “Bailout”? Nice piece in the Onion
- ‘English universities must prove “commitment” to free speech for bailouts’ – Excellent news in the Guardian
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Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
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Salem 2.0
I thought I’d give my readers something to chew on while I’m on a break: Salem 2.0: The Return of the Religious Police to the Public Square. This is a book about cancel culture that I’ve been working on for a while now, but which took a back seat during the coronavirus crisis. Hoping to get back to it as the crisis recedes – although that’s happening more slowly than I hoped. It’s a work in progress, so don’t expect too much. The shape of it should be pretty clear, however.
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Theme tune-going upmarket today:
Masques et Bergamasques Claude Debussy
Current sceptic parlance : Masks and Buggermasks.
Good news for our local Greggs: bought coffee to take home after morning walk; showed my badge; assistant smiled, thanked me, but said no questions would be asked in the shop.
Greggs is excellent; the staff are cheerful and friendly; our local outlet is always busy and the menu caters for all.
A pleasingly sane company.
Are you in the Stottie and Sly Cake catchment area though?
I live in the Dear leader’s fiefdom: favourites here-for me at least-are the vegan rolls and cheese and onion slices.
Their decaff coffee is also excellent,as is the wide range of doughnuts.
Most popular here seem to be the breakfast rolls,sausage rolls and bacon rolls.
It’s all good.
You have not lived unless you have dined out on the Geordie answer to focaccia, the Stottie, followed by the apple turnover with cream. My husband has just chirped in ‘you might not be alive after’ – but then he is from Yorkshire! My nanna was very fond of a piece of Sly Cake, cut straight from the tray. Personally, my favourite was the Custard Slice, surpassed only by the ‘proper’ version – the mille-feuille – from Maison Blanc!
I think wendyk is a vegan TT. I’m not sure she would be too keen on apple turnover with cream.
I would be, however. I must pay a visit to Geordieland some day 🙂
I do love apple turnovers and I’m not a vegan, but a vegetarian.
I also love raspberries +custard. custard slices and that Stottie sounds good!🙂
My cousins from Essex used to clear out the local Greggs every time they visited. From car boot to freezer!
You need to be careful to stay north of the river – Mackem land is not for the faint of heart! Favourite place is further up the coast at Bamburgh Castle, although Cullercoats beach takes some beating too.
Cullercoats beach – round the corner from me.
Were you a Whitley or Toon girl? I was The Royal and Grobs era!
You need to try a Kentish Gypsy Tart , although how long that name lasts is anyone’s guess
Thanks, I will try that (there is a very old can of condensed milk in the cupboard). My sister-in-law is a gypsy. I am certain she would not be offended by the name, but no doubt there will be a nice, white, upper middle class, metropolitan media-type who will be offended on her behalf!
Thanks, I will try that (there is a very old can of condensed milk in the cupboard). My sister-in-law is a gypsy. I am certain she would not be offended by the name, but no doubt there will be a nice, white, upper middle class, metropolitan media-type who will be offended on her behalf.
CAKE! ARSE! GERLS!
THAT! WOULD BE! AN ECUMENICAL! MATTER!
Sorry, I think Graham Linehan has now been cancelled. I shall immediately take the knee
I lived there for 22 years, the stottie is the only good thing about it
That’s longer than I lived there!
Whilst I know what a Stottie is, I had to look up Sly Cake.
I never heard of either a stottie or a sly cake.
Checked out a sly cake recipe—sounds delicious, easy, and definitely worth a try.
From the description of the sweet it occurred to me that it seems to be a first cousin of the American Fig Newton. Then it turned out that the description of the origins of the cake also suggests a possible American connection.
https://dragonsandfairydust.co.uk/regional-recipes-sly-cakes/
God, I wish we didn’t have to look at that bitch Sturgeon every time we open LS for the next wee while. Toby, some of us Scots get nauseous when we see her, have some consideration!
Who’s clapping her tomorrow night? If there’s a clap round here, I will be opening my window and loudly booing.
At least Sticky Nurgeon is looking every bit the insane evil tired old hag bag that she is in that photo.
There is a distinctly worrying look in her eyes!
Maybe she’s worried there’s a record of what was discussed at the lockdown meetings where she instructed no written record.
The only clap Nicola will get is from the lesbian lover she just left her husband for.
is there still a press gag on this?
what. a. joke.
How does that work with husband mr murrell being chief in charge of power and everything CEO at the SNP, it is all a little Royston Vasey actually.
You get what you vote for, north or south of the border.
There is a hair dresser in Stockbridge iffering a sturgeon -do. Local press have reported. It is not of the same ilk as the fried mars bar. Its a genuine atempt to cash in on the sycophantic cultism. If scottish ladies start to wear a hedgehog of a “power-do” I will be leaving. Yes P-D is tge name given to it. Just writing this comment is unpleasant. So yeah, Toby, stop making us queasy!
What, no ‘Bronx Cheer’?
Is it possible for Sturgeon to wear that face-rag permanently and keep her mute? Could be a game-changer for Scotland.
AND, don’t let her take it off to eat and drink!
Why the fixation with antibody testing? For most people the antibodies are not needed as the innate and T-cell parts of the immune system are able to overcome the virus.
We must go off the “science” don’t you know!
Because Ferguson’s models can’t cope with such nuance. His SIR model defines binary states of ‘infected’ and ‘recovered’. In the model, infected people are subsequently assumed to become ‘immune’. The only way to measure ‘immunity’ is the antibody test. The model contains no notion of partial immunity or resistance to the virus. In other words, reality has been adapted to fit the model, not the other way round.
The great Dictator has announced it will all be over by Christmas
For many it will be
No job, mass unemployment, end of mortgage holiday, maxed out credit cards returning to 40% interest rates, the lease car (what an exercise in financial chicanery they were) being repossessed
Pubs going bust under the weight of regulation and Stasi raids, tax revenue plummeting, business rate income drying up, food prices rising, the lease car credit bubble bursting, the continuation of all forms of medical care being denied
The introduction of punitive taxes
The police still being required to kneel whenever they are in the presence of rioters. Mass arrests by the face nappy police. Food withdrawn from Refusniks
Mass ill health, mental breakdown and suicides
Yes for some it will truly be over by Christmas
Over by Christmas? Haven’t I heard that before somewhere?
1914, but to be fair, they didn’t say which Christmas (then again neither has the Dictator)
Yes, but the sneaky weasel didn’t way which Christmas.
2021?
Talking about pubs going bust. Have you seen the latest idiotic idea?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/18/english-councils-call-for-smoking-ban-outside-pubs-and-cafes
Councils are calling for smoking to be banned outside pubs, cafes and bars to make them more family friendly and help high streets recover from lockdown.
The local authorities really don’t help themselves, do they?!
Fortunately the government is opposed. Let’s hope they don’t cave.
A spokesperson for the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government said: “We will not ban outdoor smoking. Since the existing ban was introduced, businesses have invested heavily in their outdoor areas and banning outdoor smoking would lead to significant closures and job losses. Businesses should look at ways they can accommodate both smokers and non-smokers, while smokers should exercise public responsibility and be considerate.
For the record, I don’t smoke, I do think it has a disproportionate effect on surrounding non-smokers, but I wouldn’t even think of banning it outside pubs when we’re supposed to be enticing the public back out to spend!
I used to be a keep smoker, I could literally eat tobacco for breakfast lunch and dinner, I could smoke for England. Baccy and a pint is the greatest combination ever.
Banning smoking in pubs was pretty terrible but then so is smoking. I am glad I don’t need to do it any more and yes it was really really hard to give it up and it took me 10 years to get over it properly.
Looking back smoking in pubs was a pretty insane thing to do. However what would be wrong with having a pub FOR smokers?
Let us choose to go in it and give each other cancer if we choose to, let the staff choose whether they to work in it if they WANT to if they don’t, fair enough, don’t work there.
Smoking is all but banned now anyway a few more years and it will be impossible to buy tobacco and impossible to smoke it anywhere but out in a big field or in the woods. Oh yer, it won’t be allowed in town centres, parks or on national trust land or in the grounds of anywhere soon either.
The problem with enclosed spaces for smokers is that their non-smoking friends are then forced to suffer or not hang out with them.
When I was at uni, we had to work in teams. Our team was 3 non-smokers and one smoker. Most of our teamwork was done in the refectory during breaks. Guess which part of the refectory we had to sit – we needed her input and smokers tend to be selfish.
The main problem with smoking is that, unlike chewing gum, everyone else has to share the exhaust. I used to hate it when my dessert would arrive just as the next table lit up, so all I could taste was fag smoke.
I find non-smokers tend to be far more selfish. Opinions, eh ?
tobacco is a plant, are you going to exterminate all tobacco plants? How does that work?
🙂
Grows well in my garden. It is the Arnold Schwarzenegger of the vegetable kingdom – big, vigorous, kills nearby veggies and everything that tries to eat it. Even the various things that live in my shed won’t touch it when it is drying.
Big problem is that PHE have just been found out for trying to do to Covid what they have been doing for drinking and smoking.
The headline announcements are always full on panic aided by the Daily North Korea aka BBC.
The anti drinking/smoking stuff hasn’t passed the smell test for years, but the priesthood thought the public were so gullible they’d do it again with Covid.
Look at the pretzels twisted and outright lies told when they found smoking has a protective effect against Covid, now they are trying to memory hole it.
They were mostly correct, the public have swallowed it again, look at the fools preaching whatever the line is today, face masks social distancing new normal or whatever.
Frank Davis has been on about this for a while.
As I understand it the Local Authorities give permission for cafes and pubs to put tables and chairs on the public pavements so they would not need Government agreement to put ‘no smoking’ on the licence; once we’ve all got used to that they’ll go for the beer gardens proper.
There’s a saying in the stock market that bull markets rise like a staircase but crashes come like an elevator. It’s also the same for tension and riots. The boiling pressure cooker as it will. It has something to do with how we are twice as likely to take action in response to fear (and hence survival) as we are to postive things (we coast along assuming all is well). I’m trying to guess what will be the catalyst so let’s have a prediction: This week I think there will be a rush on the shops. Not a large one but enough. Next week (with masks) there will be a bit of confusion, some hassle, but a general feeling just get in get out (so no browsing lingering shopping) or outright refusal except for essentials i.e. not good. In August however and with more data hitting the MSM expect there to a turn in the narrative and I think Brexit will be folded into it i.e. incompetence and financial ruin means we shouldn’t rock the boat. So stay as it is. Plus I think Boris and Handjob will be out and Raab will be Prime Minister or it may even… Read more »
Raab and Rishi will be useless – but there isn’t a very inspiring selection!
I’d like to think that nobody would be stupid enough to want to take over the mess that Blojo and Wankock have created – but then I’m not a power-hungry sociopath.
Anyone who takes over from Boris Jon Un and Lieutenant Gruber is being handed a poisoned chalice. There are rumours that Rishi is being groomed to take over eventually but if I was him I would refuse the top job now.
Well someone needs to do it. My choice would be Gove.
Gove would be insane to take it but there’s not a lot of choice innit?
(lol) Exactly !
Same circus different clowns
Agree, the Dictator and handjob are toast.
I used to be convinced that if there’s a riot, it will be October. Now I’m not sure, it could be earlier as I suspect that retail and hospitality already on their knees will be hammered even further from 24 July.
The next rent cycle will be in September and from the last statistic in June, 9 out of 10 shops couldn’t pay the rent. It could be 10 out of 10 unable to pay by September.
Riots tend to need the heat. October redundancies will start to become obvious by the middle of August. Watch for an August heat wave and buy some steel shutters for your windows if you see one coming.
I have been telling some colleagues that don’t be surprised if we do get a text message from work saying we’ll be closing and that’s because there will be rioting.
Could be a Bank Holiday Bloodbath for want of a cruel way to put it
mhcp, like you and probably most here, I’ve been trying to predict how all this will end. Clearly in the US, the virus goes if Trump goes and I don’t think that is a certainty in November! The point you make about the data is right,the more people that become informed about the corrupt numbers, the more MSM will use it to batter Boris (after all they were just reporting what the government told them m’lud). Boris will bail because his heart isn’t really in the job and we’ll NEVER believe what politicians tell us in the future
“Clearly in the US, the virus goes if Trump goes”
First prize for succinctness.
Yes, it is looking that way.
Virus is real, but is ALSO a hammer to pound Trump into the ground for once and for all.
Anyone who calls for some moderation and common sense concerning mask wear and lockdown is labeled a hoaxer, Trump supporter, troll, uncaring, the works.
Wonder whether it will work—I mean, eliminating Trump in November via Corona scare tactics. The agenda is pretty clear, but since no one will cop to it, election results—and the country—will probably be held hostage for months following the election. Who will “rule” during this Interregnum?
There’s actually no real proof that Sars-cov-2 actually exists. We only have an unconvincing consensus amongst those “scientists” who have taken the Gates shilling. The Gates largesse is way more than enough to buy all the “science” you need, if you wanted to start a fake pandemic.
Some people are getting sick. I don’t want to get into denying that. There seems to be new, credible evidence that the virus was created in a lab and in fact did escape from the lab in Wuhan. But U.S. fingerprints are all over that, too. All of this research should be stopped. All of these labs should be defunded, closed, and enclosed in concrete for all time. Their employees can go on the dole, like the rest of humanity.
prior planning and preparation prevents pisspoor performance. get to it)
Yes – but which year??
And some SAGE scientists, according to headlines today, still think that’s too early!
I really wonder what planet these people are on. I can understand that scientists employed by the Government might feel obliged to follow the party line. But going against it in such an alarmist (for want of the right word) way seems just odd. Are they really continuing to go along with Ferguson’s model and ignoring all the evidence to the contrary?
I was depressed by the PM’s announcement that we would have to wait until November for the end of social distancing, though, I thought, surely long before then events (nonexistent cases/deaths and growing economic ruin) would have overtaken their plans. After hearing that SAGE members think even that’s too soon, I’ve completely lost even the tiniest fragment of hope that either the politicians or scientists in charge are capable of getting us out of the mess they largely created.
The scientists will become less important if people realise it’s all been totally overblown.
Imperial College has long since taken the Gates shilling.
You forgot that strong magic is being worked by the great depopulator, Bill Gates. Hey presto and very soon Bill’s highly experimental, hardly tested, liability free vaccines will soon be with us. Of course, they’ll certainly try to make vaccination compulsory if they can get away with it. What’s not to like?
Covid 19 – a virus so deadly you have to be tested to see whether you have it!
And with a swab so far up your nose and down your throat to get a sample!
Not from me they won’t.
And so deadly scientists are advocating deliberately infecting people with it to test a vaccine.
They tried that with the Spanish influenza in 1918 – interesting documentaries about it knockinga round – they never did manage to infect anyone with a samples from ill people and horses etc that actually made anyone ill enough to research on.
Yes, but only in Brazil, so it doesn’t really matter.
And so deadly that the problem is that we all have it asymptomatically, all of the time.
That – THAT – is what I will say to peole who ask me why I’m not wearing a mask!
We could compile a list with every sentence starting with a virus so deadly and then something which rebuts the idea coronavirus is deadly. A few of mine
A virus so deadly the majority of victims are elderly with other conditions and they died with rather than of coronavirus.
A virus so deadly there is a big body of scientific opinion which questions this.
A virus so deadly youtube censors videos by those who question how dangerous the virus is rather than address their arguments.
A virus so deadly they have to rely on unreliable tests to get positive cases.
A virus so deadly they have to inflate death statistics by adding people who didn’t have coronavirus.
A virus so deadly large numbers of people think the idea we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic bullshit.
A virus so deadly that if it wasn’t for media hysteria and government imposed lockdowns we wouldn’t notice we are in a pandemic.
A virus so deadly no one knows anyone with coronavirus.
And a slightly less polemical round up of recent information is here:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768391
And as usual not mention one of vitamin D, noit even as a factor in the BAME results. Nor vitamin C used as a treatment in China and unbelievably in the US
I’ve been looking at the Jet2 and easyJet websites for information on masks regularly as I am flying soon. Jet2 seem to have changed their advice. A few days ago I’m sure it said that everyone must wear a proper mask, and they would need a doctor’s note if you couldn’t wear one for medical reasons. That advice seems to have been dropped in favour of “if you have a medical condition which means you can’t wear a mask, you don’t have to. For further information, see government website.” So I guess they must have had a complaint or two. Or realised that nobody can actually see a GP nowadays to get a note.
They also say: “Face masks need to cover your mouth and nose and should be either a protective or medical-style mask, or a fitted face covering. Coverings such as scarves, snoods, balaclavas or any similar items aren’t acceptable for travel.”
I wonder as well if they were told that they could be sued under the Equality Act hence the U turn. Not to mention that a requirement of a doctor’s note is in breach of medical confidentiality, privacy laws and GDPR.
Equality Act only applies to the state or companies providing state functions – is my understanding
On the Law Or Fiction website, which is “a group of concerned lawyers dedicated to separating the Law from the Fiction, particularly in relation to the current Coronavirus lockdown.” it says:
Discrimination laws under the Equality Act 2010 are not overwritten by any Covid-19 regulations or guidelines.
Shops, councils and anyone providing services to the public has a legal obligation, under Part 3 of the Act, not to discriminate unlawfully in providing those services and to take all reasonable steps, making ‘reasonable adjustments’, to avoid the particular disadvantages suffered by those with disabilities.
http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/06/disability-discrimination-some-common-decency-please/
Airlines are providing a service to the public, so I would guess they come under the Act.
It also has a piece on risk assessments for businesses with Covid and the law is such that measures should be in place for “serious and imminent threats”. Covid doesn’t fall under this. Neither do other transmittable diseases that are not high risk.
easyJet however take a different view:
What if I can’t wear a mask for medical reasons?
If you are unable to wear a face mask for medical reasons you will be exempt from doing so as long as you have a medical exemption letter from a doctor stating that you cannot wear a face mask (which must be available on request for airport staff and crew to see) and also that you are fit to fly.
I’d be interested to know if that’s actually legal!
I seriously doubt it is.
So what they’re saying is that you must be sealed into a device guaranteed to cause hypoxia and hypercapnia – or you don’t have to bother.
And of course the oxygen level is already low on cruising jet airliners, which maintain pressure equivalent to about 8000 feet above sea level.
Hi Carrie. I posted about this yesterday as I’d noticed the change too. Someone else had said that they were sitting on a plane on their way to Iceland and had been allowed through the airport without question as they were wearing a lanyard with exemption card attached.
Still awaiting the risk assessment on wearing masks at altitude for long periods of time!
That was me. Now in Iceland. The flight was with BA. I’m coming back with Icelandair and I expect that will be fine too. At the airport everybody else had masks on except small children and people eating and drinking in the cafes but nobody gave me a second glance. So no stress, but disappointment on my part with the mass compliance.
Thanks for letting us know that Graham. We are due to fly next week.
I’ve just written to EasyJet on their website asking them to update their information as I believe that the Department for Health and Social Care has told doctors that they do not need to supply exemption certificates and in their turn doctors have said they will not supply them anyway.
I also asked them to refund the money for an outbound flight we were due to take in March. It had been cancelled of course and we received the money for the inbound flight but not the outbound. The refund has been pending for four months now in spite of lots of emails to them. Won’t be using them again in a hurry.
Big Pharma, Gavi and Big Finance all working together in the public interest. Be scared, be very scared!:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/testing-will-begin-africa-biometric-id-vaccine-records-payment-systems
What I don’t understand about this is why you need a vaccine to give you a unique digital identity. It would surely be cheaper and easier to link things like ID and even cashless payments to the unique identity we were born with: our DNA.
The state has been surreptitiously building the DNA database for years. You don’t need to arrest everyone to get enough markers to map pretty much all of us. Once on the police DNA database it is almost impossible to get off it. My mother and her fellow female care workers at the time (about 15 years ago) gave samples to assist in the investigation of a serious crime in the local area. She had to badger pretty hard to have it removed after the criminal was convicted. My general principle is they already know too much about us, and I am certainly not having anyone inject anything into me ‘in the public interest’
Hmm, I wonder what happens to all those Covid-19 swabs. Yet another reason to refuse a test.
Quite. As I said a few weeks ago, back in the mid 2000s, when the data collection bandwagon started to get off the ground, our sons’ school proposed a finger print access system for the school library (for the Biff and Chip books!). We were the only parents to refuse permission to have their finger prints taken.
Your DNA cannot be withdrawn on a whim.
But your DNA is dirty. The vaccine cleans it.
Yes the infectious pandemic is the pretext to mandate immunity status – regardless of any particular vaccine. All vax will be incorporated as well as all those in the pipeline – and perhaps a covid DNA game changer
The other corporate sector is Big Data
Yes, and also cancerous!
It’s the only sensible explanation for the determined foot-dragging on lockdown release – even though it sounds crazy!.
I had a look at the Teenybrain piece. It is indeed very funny. I’d love some Teenybrain to try and empathise with me over daring to show that I have a nose and mouth.
Have a good day, folks. Always remember, every happy moment you have is a poke in the eye for all TeenyTinybrainseverywhere.
And happy holidays to Toby!
Off now for a cycle ride. Will get wet. Who cares? I’m happy cycling, and being wet makes me all the more appreciative of Dry when I get home.
Hearts up!
I’ve just read it too; ‘humble inquiry’ and ‘coming from a place of compassion’ sent my cringeometer into the red zone.
No wonder these Teenies are called snowflakes.
An article in the DM about the teens thinking they know it all, lots of agreement. They had better not start patronizing me for my non mask
It is the job of teens to think they know it all, and the job of adults to disavow them of their misconceptions. When we have our ‘leaders’ fawning over a 16 year old Swedish schoolgirl with no formal education you know the world has gone truly mad!
Interesting that Greta, at 16 years, is held up as the fount of all climate wisdom, yet Shamima, at 15 years, is held to have been an innocent.
Very
havent the lefties being trying to get the voting age down to 16? Their opinion is that they are old enough to vote (as they will generally vote labour” yet not old enough to be responsible for their decisions and need their hands holding
If only the 18 – 24 had the vote at the last GE Corbyn would have had a majority of 450. Food for thought!
Greta is unable to even answer a soft rolled question without something to read from.
It isn’t the young who are responsible for this shit-show.
Quite the contrary – it’s the well-off older middle class who have been in power for a long time, and who the Daily Wail to Groaniad MSM has supported consistently with their whining sense of self-pity combined with self-entitlement.
Yes they are not responsible but a lot of them are jumping on the virtue signalling bandwagon.
You might consider it as masking in virtue as a way of ‘escaping’ fear by pointing at the ‘sins’ of others by which to seem righteous.
This runs very deep. The need to see evil, enemy or threat OUT THERE is the establishing of a private mind-bubble that thinks to mask over what lies beneath.
Gave up on the teen vogue piece after “every time we go out the door…” and then started talking about ‘germs’ ffs.
Sadly the jobs apocalypse is gathering pace. My own company sent out redundancy letters yesterday to a couple of people we have found we no longer need and friends are reporting to me that their companies are also starting the redundancy process. It seems 31 July is the cut off point as far as many businesses are concerned. Anyone who is still furloughed after then needs to get their head out of the sand.
I know a few tradesmen that have said they’re folding their companies the second the bounce back loans are recalled
I contract and have noticed there has been a ramp up for temporary staff and short term contracts to get things done. However there seems to be a real delay in onboarding but then that often happens when resources have to be approved.
I suspect short-term panic is creeping in.
I know some young Turkish peoople, she works for a large international company in town. She is some kind of Middle Eastern Sale support person and they sell medical equipment. She has been working from home everyday since the lockdown, on the zoom to people from all over the world or at least the middle east and Europe. Now I can’t help but think the main reason her company brought her over to the UK was so she could be in the office, in the company culture, they could benefit from her language skills and perhaps improove her English for her too. They pay her ALOT. Now she is “just” on the web at home all day. Why does her company need her any more? She could work from home in Turkey and they could pay her two thirds less. Her company could also just get somebody from say India and pay them one quarter or an eights of what she gets now to do the same thing. Furthermore, isn’t the main reason a company pays somebody a big wage is because normally the employee has to get on a train at 6:30 every day or a blocked up road,… Read more »
Commercial property market was already in the doggy do before the lockdown. A credit event will trigger a tsunami of defaults that will make the 2008/9 Financial Crisis look like child’s play. October is usually a tricky month for financial markets. Some well-informed names in the US have been talking this for a while (Mohammed El Erian, Scott Minnerd), and the ‘too big to fail’ banks have been upping provisions (JP Morgan). Everyone needs to make sure they do not have money in non-regulated schemes, assuming the deposit protection scheme will be honoured (a big ‘if’, possibly in the current climate)
I haven’t got any money, never have had any either. It’s been hand to mouth for me for ever.
What do you mean by “in non-regulated schemes,”??
Too true. I have worked on IT related projects and many involve indian sub contractors. Whilst many will be in the country on visas and be office based there are many more out in India, in particular the code monkeys. But given that all roles on a project have been working from home over the last few months, lets move them all back to india – much cheaper there – as it is now proved they dont need to be in the office, or in the country
Absolutely spot on…I dont think many people have cottoned on to how easy it will be for companies to outsource home workers.
The proprietor of the local green grocer’s told me yesterday that her husband’s company-builders’ merchants-have issued 2,500 redundancy notices.
Fortunately, her husband isn’t among the soon to be jobless.
This part of west Scotland has little to offer in the way of serious employment,so the Dear Leader and her cohorts should stop sniping at Westminster’s largesse and start doing some joined up thinking-which does not include indyref2!!
Toursm in the widest sense is about 20% of Scotland’s gdp and has been just about wiped out by the Scottish Government for this season, the knock-on effect for next year will also be devastating. The Scottish economy as a whole has been shredded for years to come. Sturgeon’s concentration on the now almost disappeared Covid19 to the exclusion of everything else shows a breathtaking ignorance and callous indifference to the ruin that she is perpetrating.
Added to what you quite rightly say Guirme is the lack of employment options for rural Scotland. Similar to parts of Wales and rural England except greater distances and transport options compound these issues from the killing off the Scottish tourism industry. I mean to say some old villages and communities may not survive. They staycation boom looks likely to help – air travel will be so strictly regulated from now on. It’s likely many employing buisnesses cannot survive until 2021.
The SNP finance guy is a simpleton and here is a short youtube clip of Julia Hartley Brewer interviewing him. He appears to quite literally think that money grows on trees.
https://youtu.be/xZLEHp3f-L8
Apologies for the biased presentation of the youtube channel it is the only way I can supply the clip of the Julia HB talk radio interview.
We were going to move to Scotland. We were going to go up there this year and look at properties to buy. I USED TO love Scotland, I had a big ole Scottish accent untill I was about 10. My folks and grandparents and my family in general are all Scotts. My brother has lived in Edingburugh for the last 35 years. Now I am 95% certain I will never even go to Scotland ever again.
So sad.
Get away from the central belt by about 2 hours, avoid Skye, Glen Coe and Nevis, avoid the 500 miles tourist circuit and you still can find genuine adventure mingled in with lovely folk. But it has changed under SNP recently with extraordinary levels of government intrusion into the minds of the poeople.
Agreed, unfortunately the Spiteful Nannying Party has always had a game plan of trash the economy, turn Scotland into a dung heap and blame the eeeeeevil tories.
They are not bothered about colllateral damage, old people are more likely to be unionist.
There is no point expecting these tyrants to suddenly start working in the public interest. The only way forward is their removal from power and prosecution for their crimes against humanity. We will need a new court system to achieve that.
Yep, a small padded cell with no windows for ever for the lot of them is the only solution.
I fear that we’ll never get rid of them: She Who Must Be Obeyed has assumed high priestess status and unfortunately what remains of the opposition doesn’t really seem to have the courage of its convictions.
She has as many questions to answer as NoGo BoJo, but no one is asking them.
https://www.effiedeans.com/2020/07/do-wee-three-want-to-lose-to-snp.html
This is what I fear too but that means all we have to ‘look forward too’ is life in a totalitarian state which will only become more evil and destructive as time goes on.
In some.ways she has more, the Scottish record on care homes is worse than the rest of the UK, but you’d never know it from the cheerleading BBC.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/03/care-home-coronavirus-deaths-in-scotland-overtake-hospitals
Same here. The much vaunted war chest my workplace had has been seriously depleted and they’re now looking into voluntary redundancies but we got an update yesterday the takings seem to be low so looks like compulsory redundancies will in order as well.
Definitely we’ll see more retail businesses go under after 24 July as more and more people stay away from the shops.
The tech company my son works for has told a lot that they need to start looking for new jobs. Wonder if Boris agrees with the financial crash of the west, surely they cant be that dim to not realise what would happen
I’m afraid it’s any port in a storm for Boris.
Boris and Matt are working with the great depopulator Bill Gates to solve these problems. I feel so much better already.
I had this pop up in a news feed yet after looking at at least three MSM home pages if they are reporting it, it’s way down somewhere in the page.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-health-secretary-matt-hancock-orders-urgent-review-into-public-health-england-death-data-12030392
The initial response was that about 1000 deaths would have to be removed from the PHE figures. However the ONS stats are fine, they are the gold standard.
But the method of reporting deaths was altered in favour of covid, so even the ONS stats are flawed.
Yes indeed, they are hopelessly flawed. We are all being stitched up, like the stats.
Morning All!
I found this research paper. May well have been posted before so apologies if so. I will now pop it up on the Forum (once I’ve worked out how I get in!). It’s a randomised trial of cloth masks v medical masks in Healthcare settings, upshot is the cloth masks cause more harm than good. No surprise there.
My experience in Scotland over last couple of days is everyone is wearing one in shops. You just have to be brave. No one questioned me yesterday when I walked in without one.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
Very courageous. I intend to avoid the shops as much as possible when this becomes law in England next Friday.
I don’t want to have my mind conditioned by the sight of people wearing these muzzles. I don’t want it to become normalised in that way.
I will avoid shops as much as possible and if I do feel I have to go it will be when they are very quiet. I plan to have my scarf ready for my face if they try to bar my way.
I intend to avoid shops pubs and town centres for ever until they go back to normal. I don’t care for myself, all the shops are crap anyway so are most of the pubs. The way people are these days, ie totally propagandised so they they never talk to strangers anyway. Most people expect that they will have some kind of issue with anybody they talk to about something devisive. This has meant that I could go to a pub and not talk to anybody all night. I never used to bother with them anyway. Most people are brainwashed muppets in my opinion. This virus scam is the icing on the cake AND the cherry on top of the way people have been systematically set against each other. What kills me is the destruction foisted on everybody else. I do care about our society even although I hate almost every aspect of it. I know lots of people really were happy with the way things were. Now it’s just miserable, everything is just miserable. Actually I had forgotten how expensive a pint is in a pub and why I never really went to them. Lets face it, shopping in the… Read more »
Yes. First step in the right direction is to get smiles back.
Whilst I applaud your frankness, sharing your thoughts for the world to see, I think that we all are part of this society and our thoughts and actions have a greater effect than we sometimes think. Cynicism is a healthy reality check but an optimistic and positive demeanor expresses energy with more contagion than any ‘virus’ ever will. We make our own futures .
Wish I could disagree but I cant really.
Please define ‘too much Co2’ and ‘carbon free’, 2-6.
The intention is to make 95% of the human race carbon free.
That’s my plan too.
I just went into town this morning probably for the last time in a good while…thoroughly depressing with lots of masks everywhere and everyone looking miserable. Every shop either closed or diktat instructions on the door about how many allowed in ,where to stand etc. Why put your self through it…..its basically back to full lockdown for those who do not want to see the Newly masked North Korea.
Ditto for me here in France when it starts on Monday.
There is no mention of allowing scarves, bandanas etc. instead of ‘bought’ pale blue masks – I will not be buying any.
Means driving 20 km further to a hypermarket with an external click&collect facility but think of the planet – all that single-use plastic I’ll be saving!
Here is Mass. the mask debris is already noticeable on the roadsides.
What were they thinking? Did the local authorities that have mandated 24/7 mask wearing even consider this mess? People are slobs already. We finally got rid of one-use plastic bags, and now the blue masks are blowin’ in the wind.
Most big chains are indicating that they won’t police this latest bit of mask stupidity, let’s hope they mean it.
Ages ago I ended up reading a website about occult symbolism (can’t remember how or why) and part of it was the 2012 Olympics opening ceremony from London and as it was sports thought meh, can’t be bothered and never watched.
This morning my friend sent me an e-mail after watching a re-run of the ceremony on the BBC late last night – he’s not sleeping well at all at the moment – and he pointed out the coincidences in the ceremony with what is going on now so I found this clip as it is clearer than the one he recorded on his phone off teh TV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXUM-_9zZ_w
Coincidence? Prophecy? Or planned?
And why show it again now?
Planned, they have a moral duty to “tell” us what they have planned for us, its just that “WE” are way too stupid to understand what they are telling us. THEY think its funny.
At the time everybody was like “what the hell is that all about” with the olympic ceremony, well it’s obvious now isn’t it?
Yep and the future maps in the Hunger games (this one showing the US broken into 4 parts and the capital in Denver is from the 1960s if I rememebr correctly), Sandy Hook map in a Batman film, Denver Airport murals, all the “coincidences” in TV shows, other movies and so on says to me they think part of the “game” is to warn us what is going to happen so they can claim we had a warning and a way out but we were too stupid to figure it out.
Just this week, UK Column mentioned similar plans for zones in this country.
Denver airport! People should be bused arount to that place just to be shown what something on planet earth thinks is suitable for us. Denver airport yes!
Check this out…….A very very strange announcement in Denver airport.
Now this is properly creepy….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptURKNnJw3M
Audio could easily have been added later. Not saying it was, just that it is not conclusive to me that video presents a real incident. The murals are provable.
Yes sure it could well be a fake. Still pretty creepy.
Does anybody still remember the 40 foot high 3D printed replica of the GATEWAY TO HELL, or the gateway at Baal’s temple they reproduced in central London recently?
https://www.eyeopeningtruth.com/temple-of-baal-part-3-of-10/
It was on tour all round the world.
Yes they were saying to us they intend to literally OPEN THE GATES OF HELL on us. You can see Boris in the picture too.
Occult symbolism has been a big part of TPTB for countless years. Most people don’t spot it. For easy example, look at the number of times Numerology plays a part in government announcements. The numbers 11, 22, 29 frequently come up. The first two are power or Master numbers. 29 adds up to 11. Parliament goes into summer recess on the 22nd July.
Maybe it was going to happen on that date anyway, but nonetheless it’s a 22.
Once aware of the symbology you can see it all around.
For example, Spot the serpent:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQM3IkV7mTh6JNQXMaJgVuiAPp7n_sk9AUTxA&usqp=CAU
I find this a scary building:
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican184.htm
Swilliamism has some breath taking walks through london on his channels. My favourite is the idea that London zoo left behind it’s pelicans when it moved from Hyde(?) Park. Symbolism agogo.
I used to love Swilliamism’s stuff on you tube. He hasn’t done anything for ages now. I hope he is OK. I would really recommend people watch his videos. All of them are great.
https://www.youtube.com/user/swilliamism/videos
You’re right. That resurrection sculpture is quite horrific!
Are you describing the Vatican Pope’s throne room or whatever it is called? That fit’s the descriptiin quite horrific! Please seek it out if you haven’t seen it – it is most strange.
That sculpture in the Pope’s Audience hall is creepy big time.
It’s called Christ Rising by Pericle Fazzini.
Whole building gives me the creeps.
I always thought the almost religious fervour with which critics praised the 2012 Olympics opening ceremony was beneath contempt. However I think the ‘baddies’ depicted in the NHS section, particularly the giant figure (surely Margaret Thatcher) was about the threats our ‘great NHS’ faced from such as Thatcher etc. – no proof ever presented of course. The clip though does have echoes of what is going on at the moment I will admit, but although I like a good conspiracy as much as the next man I don’t think this is one.
i havent watched the rerun yet but i did watch the documentary that was repeated earlier yesterday about how the ceremony was conceptualised and planned .. I was thinking myself as i watched it how this was the beginning of the deification of the NHS. But then if you see who was involved it was always going to be lefty propaganda. The giant figure was supposed to be Lord Voldamort .. there was a reading from JK Rowlings as part the mis en scene. (They wouldnt dare use her today now she is cancelled!) and it did explain how they were using baddies in childrens literature.
Now who was the buffoon that was Mayor of London at the time who had huge involvement?
I wonder…he was a useless cretin then too.
It was communist drivel.
Always thought that ceremony was weird. Also one of the Illuminati signals is a Rainbow, keep seeing them in windows!
I’ve not watched it, but it is abundantly clear that contingency plans were put together for the eventuality of a “global pandemic” and that these plans have been put into action this year.
What a lot of people seem to miss is that this is not some sort of malevolent plan to kill a substantial portion of the world’s population. It was not “planned for us” to harm us. Yes it was planned, but it was planned in order to “save” us from a plague.
And before you leap on me, no, that does not make it right. It is and was always very wrong.
So how is fact that, allegedly thousands of elderly who were shielding and isolated have died of Covid, explained. And why do the sanctimonious young who say through their mask, I want to save you, explain how they all died while being forced to isolate.
Some peer-reviewed research is now indicating that the immune response of antibodies to the covid 19 virus is being enhanced by killer T cells which can protect us more generally from coronaviruses.
These killer T cells diminish with age and it is supposed that this may be why the young seem to be practically immune to sars-cov-2, but that older people are much more susceptible.
With that said, it still is not a death sentence even in the over 80 age group. Their particular vulnerability may be because they are far more likely to already be seriously ill.
The government published report into care homes out last week showed 80% of infected residents shows NO symptoms – if this is true of frail elderly people this says a great deal for the importance of the T cell response.
Yes, which mitigates the need for restrictions for those young and without health issues
and/or those without health issues
Lack of medical care for anything but covid.
Also, many will literally have died from fear and loneliness.
I never watched the Olympic ceremony. That section is seriously creepy! I’d no idea.
I remember finding it embarrassing to watch — the whole thing was like some sort of production your parents come to watch you in at school. But I just watched the linked section again now, and it does give food for frightening thought.
I’ve just watched it. It certainly does make for creepy viewing given everything that’s happened/happening.
I wrote this in comment yesterday this morning before realising the discussion had move onto today. It’s relevant to the hypnotic 2012 Olympics.
In the beginning I used to wake up each morning with a few moments of the sense it was all a bad dream and then soon after consciously realise it wasn’t and this was my reality, our reality.
That no longer happens.
Now, at some time after I wake up, not immediately, some times hours later, I remember that we are pretending there is a real threat to everyone of us, unseen and unexperienced. It is a giant pretence I am obliged to take part in.
These two comparible psychological states are both involuntary.
Really? 5G illuminati conspiracies here? This is why people discount lockdown sceptics, whereas we should only be dealing the evidence which is still very compelling in our court!
Just asking why and what is behind all the lockdowns worldwide. As I was told years ago by a very good boss early in my career – give me a reason, not an excuse.
He would have told me “The virus” is an excuse, not a reason.
Surely to question and fight back against something you have to know the true story behind it all? If not then all we are doing on here is venting our spleens and pissing into the wind and wasting our time as we have nothing better to do during the enforced incarceration.
There is a reason behind everything that is going on, the lockdowns were not in isolation but part of something else as too many coincidences mounting up over the years and decades for it all to be lots of random happenings coming to a culmination now.
Pick your own favourite conspiracy theory, there are enough of them or just believe it is all random it’s your choice.
Follow the money and eventually the truth will come out but getting that far is going to be the problem.
You are the first person to mention 5G on this page. Trolling, or mischief-making, Rona ?
I was referencing the video where it popped up in the middle of the ceremony saying a 5G mask, I’m trying to do the opposite, not trolling or mischief making, apologies if it came across like that! I also fully support asking why, and looking for reasons, and that’s why I watched the full video. In my opinion, others may totally differ, but I think it is clutching at straws in relation to the pandemic, just my two cents.
The 2012 Olympic opening ceremony was serious stuff, AG. Not in the slightest bit surprised your friend is having trouble sleeping.
Like this year, it was a psy-op/brainwashing/traumatising, call it what you will.
Is that film for real?
That is one of the weirdest things I have ever seen!
Is that REALLY the opening ceremony of the London Olympics?
It looks like Disney on a very bad trip!
All those nurses?
What in the world?
What does this dystopian vision have to do wthe Olylmpics, for eff’s sake?
Very disturbing.
Tell me this is a joke. Glad to be gulled.
‘How to Talk to People Who Won’t Wear Face Masks‘
Frightful article. As condescending as you’d expect. Or even a bit more so.
And it doesn’t address the reason why I won’t wear a mask, which is one shared by many of us, and which is the same reason why I didn’t clap. These actions validate the lockdown, the lockdown that has destroyed, is destroying and will destroy so many people’s health, jobs and plans for the future.
If we had Ebola that would be another matter. But we don’t.
Shame on Teen Vogue for writing such an asinine piece – that is pretty much an incitement to hate and encouraging bullying
The Daily Telegraph had something similar which I wrote a letter of complaint. The MSM have behaved in an abysmal manner throughout this crisis and articles like these fan the flames of division further as well as serve to weaken the bonds in a community. It’s redolent of Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia.
Yes, it’s blatant propaganda.
Obviously been paid for by the Government’s massive advertising ‘investment’
If you berate someone who won’t wear a muzzle because of a disability, you are descriminating against (or bullying) someone with a protected characteristic, and that is an offence.
Another protected characteristic is ‘religion or belief’. I believe a mask will make me ill.
🙂
God told me the same thing.
Exactly. Unfortunately too many people are too dim to know that.
I cancelled my Daily Telegraph subscription yesterday after seeing the disgraceful article you mention,I told them how disgusted I was that they would allow such a divisive piece and that I thought the DT had completely lost it’s way.They weren’t really bothered and I don’t think they heard anything I said as their only response was an offer to halve the cost of my subscription in an attempt to make me reconsider,I didn’t.
Well done you. I wrote them an email whether they take notice or not I have no idea but I’ve said my piece and will have a degree of schandenfreude when their circulation takes a nosedive and they have to make staff redundant.
I did the same…they could not care less…lets hope they all collapse due to lack of advertising.
I am looking forward to someone trying to bully me lol.
Agreed… not sure it’s much more “unintentionally amusing” than statistics on unemployment or cancer deaths due to lockdown! Maybe they falsely believe the coronavirus isn’t that serious How about they all but KNOW, based on evidence from official sources, it isn’t greatly more serious than existing endemic diseases like influenza, which society already lives with? Plus the usual “mask haters are Trump lovers” slur. This might arguably have an element of truth to it, from a US perspective, but only due to self-reinforcing political polarisation. (Had Trump been an enthusiastic fan of masks and/or lockdown measures, maybe things would be the other way round!?) It’s hard to know how society can get out of this mess when, 4 months on, so many people genuinely believe the disease is an unprecedented plague and anyone who objects to measures and restrictions is an ignorant political undesirable. I know I’m preaching to the converted here but I’m not sure how much longer I can take this sort of thing! At least so far I haven’t had to deal with this attitude in real life, as opposed to reading about it online; most family and friends are more or less of the same mind… Read more »
You can extend this by all the people I spoke to in real life, in town today, Drawde. Stall holders, shopkeepers, cafe staff, barber, pub, trades people – all think it’s bollocks. Roughly 10:1 I’d guess.
(Maybe they just say that to get rid of me … 🙁 ).
Oh, god.
How to talk to people who insist on “educating” one to join them in their madness.
“Don’t accuse someone of being a witch. Talk to them about until the two of you can agree what you can do about your being a witch.”
““When you shame people as a way to try to get them to avoid risky health behaviors,”
So she thinks not wearing a mask is a “riskly health behavior.”
Come right back at them: Do you drink soft drinks? Do you eat trans fats? Do you eat junk food and fast food? Do you text or use your device while driving? Do you eat soy products? These are all risky health behaviors. As is overdoing the mask wearing. They risk hypoxia. They risk headaches. They risk overstressing their innate immune system. Furthermore they risk spiraling ever deeper into their hubris to dare to “educate” you..
Then end the conversation.
Does anyone have any footage of face masks being worn in a cold environment say a walk in freezer which would clearly show. as the breath condenses in the air. how ineffective face masks are
I did see a video where a man inhaled from a vaping e-cigarette, put on a mask, then exhaled – as you’d expect, the vapour went out everywhere around the mask.
Can’t remember the link, but Googling “vaping face mask” brings up this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okIEE3wifJE, not the same video but the same result! (This one is a cloth mask, the other video had a blue surgical mask)
What does everyone think of this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8535701/DR-MAX-MIND-DOCTOR-rebels-heed-rules-masks.html
“I’m not convinced by the science supporting face masks, and I don’t see the logic in wearing them now, but I accept they can serve an important psychological function by reassuring the cautious and coaxing them out of lockdown.”
What a ridiculous statement. Why should rational people acquiesce to doing something illogical in order to placate the, how shall I put it, ‘differently cognitive’?
Psychological programming and the end result of the past few generations being mollycoddled too much.
I’m not sure what you mean by this:
“the past few generations being mollycoddled too much”
In the past 30 years (or so) we have certainly seen an increase in propaganda from the media and government.
TV has been designed not to “mollycoddle”, but to “dumb down” the populace, turning many of them into docile, pliant sheep.
Little wonder so few have put up any decent resistance to this so far.
Correct John. Had the misfortune of glimpsing day time TV during LD. Can’t believe how many grown up children and clappy, yaying twerps infect our screens. The moronification of society is now complete!
Only that part of society that watches tv, T. 🙂
Especially because it has the opposite effect anyway. If I see a town centre full of mask-wearers I think there must be a reason for it. How much more effective would it be for the government to issue reliable statistics and tell people not to worry?
Yeah, and that silky Teeny rain article specifically mentioned, though not in these precise words, that non mask wearers just want a break from all the terror oorn.
Would be hugely helpful. They should reverse the stats. 99.995% of us have not died from the virus. The current death rate is less than one per million per day. Many more people are killed or seriously injured every day on our roads. That sort of thing. A lot of people are under the serious misapprehension we are living through something akin to the medieval bubonic plague.The government has connived in this nonsense.
I haven’t seen the Mad Masked Morons being ‘cautious’ around these parts. On the contrary, the mask has become an excuse to be super pushy and really ‘in-yer-face’.
I am the cautious one – peering into places and asking politely if I’m ‘welcome’ – as I try and live a normal life without a bag on my face.
The psychology behind that statement about coaxing the cautious is very clever. It makes folk feel all warm & supportive if they too don a face wrap and again, leaves us Bare-Faced Bravados in the position of negligence.
It really won’t reassure them. I know several of the terrified, and they will barely venture outside their own front doors even now, whether or not other people are wearing masks. One still thinks going for a walk is too dangerous. They will continue to do their essential shopping and nothing else. There might be few people on the fence who are now tempted out, but I’m sure they will be more than outnumbered by the people like me and others on here who will stop going to the shops until masks are no longer compulsory (should that ever happen).
My sister in law is the biggest bedwetter I know and has not even been out in the garden since February…yes she doubled down on an early selfie lockdown! We have had a few arguments and dont speak now…she thinks I spread disease lol. There is no hope for her, she will be brought out of her house in a wooden box. Nothing Johnson could say or do would encourage her to come out to shop.
Not just illogical but very likely harmful as well.
Wearing the mask is taking the knee to the lies of the covid industry. What benefits does Toby see? I didn’t pick any up in the article.
Surely the joke is visible, Peter?
yes i get it, muzzling the mad dog sturgeon
The Prime Minister says that, if you are very, very good, he ‘might’ let you have Christmas.
Let that sink in, as they say.
From last night’s Grad live. Interesting politics being played out more openly?
Justin Madders pointed out:
Whitty and Vallance weren’t at the press conference this morning and now we are hearing their much more realistic assessment about the chances of a return to normality we know why.
(Their “more realistic assessment” is pure doom, gloom and fearmongering.)
Lewis Goodall suggests:
No doubt of a big fissure in the Johnson/Vallance/Whitty triad. Vallance and Whitty essentially sticking to line that life won’t return to normal until we have a vaccine. PM saying that isn’t the case because we have better tech/knowledge/structures in place. Important division
I’ve just posted a link above to a UK video about the new vaccine (video comes via an American news programme, probably because the BBC wouldn’t feature it!). If true it is pretty alarming. Worth watching, especially as it mentions Fauci and Bill Gates, whose credibility and motives are questionable – for different reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heB3FnXyCI&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3enoPvh5mzhLaDPUW1e7S_u5t3x9HRmDKBcT9U0f6m_Ly9h2QnRUL4eJE
I’ve just watched the video. What he says is alarming but I think its credibility is dodgy. There are some astute observations in the comments, starting with this – something I also spotted straight away: A video thats so BANNED that we are all able to watch it on YT These comments shed more light: The remainder of the statement matches almost verbatim part of an unrelated, 31-year-old review of anti-fertility vaccine research from the National Institute of Immunology in New Delhi, India. Other parts read from the documents also match the 1989 review paper, including: “GnRH resulted in decreased testicular size, drop of testosterone levels, and marked atrophy of the prostate” (5m51s) and “a sperm-specific mitochondrial antigen, produced an antibody response in baboons and reduced fertility in the females”. (6m37s) The speaker also says that GSK tested 63 women with a vaccine containing anti-hGC antigens that resulted in 61 becoming infertile (5m29s). Those statistics also appear in the 1989 paper and an older one, by one of the same researchers and are not related to GSK. I checked out Govote: Basic Philosophy Do No Harm is our prime directive, which means conservation, and development of alternative resources is vital… Read more »
Vallance is to be expected, but I’m disappointed in Whitty since back in March/April he appeared to be making several attempts to explain how the virus is mild for the vast majority.
That’s a good point. Remember also that both rubbished the idea of mask wearing earlier in the year. I’ve seen more reliable wind vanes. What we can be 100% of now is that neither Whitty and Vallance are ‘scientists’ in the true meaning of the word. Who is working them is the only question – but they have no scientific credibility – and nor has SAGE as a whole. The purpose of the whole thing is patently cover, not advisory. Then we get onto the vaccine issue. What is clear is that there has been a misfire, in that the virus has not got anywhere near showing the need – thus the absurd ramping up of fear and anxiety in the face of a non-existent terminal threat. That is the only explanation that I can see behind this pantomime of influence – and no, I’m not an ‘ant-vaxxer’ – just a sceptic with a brain. Those backing a vaccine narrative are obviously peddling garbage – even if the basic idea was credible : This virus is not of such a nature to warrant one The virus is declining in a very normal pattern of behaviour Further outbreaks may happen –… Read more »
Rick, I keep posting this link by Ivor Cummins, a bit long but well worth it. Great summary of the debacle
When you have ‘professors’ coming out NOW saying that severe lockdowns should be reimposed to ‘crush the curve’, we can confirm beyond all doubt that this isn’t about combating a virus pandemic. Watch and weep, bit lengthy but worth it. Covers the excess death issue too…..figures being fiddled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HR9IV-y1D0&t=2s
Please stop that. You must have posted that link 10 times yesterday with almost exactly the same post. It might be interesting, but now it’s fixed in my mind as spam, so there’s not a chance I’ll click on it.
That’s your choice matt
Video not found!
Matt, no further problem then!
If it’s the podcast from July16th, it’s available on Ivor’s Fat Emperor site.
Don’t forget, SAGE is to be “sidelined” in favour of a totally opaque unit.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/08/sage-sidelined-government-takes-direct-control-coronavirus-response/
Instead, an expanded Joint Biosecurity Centre will take a more prominent role in co-ordinating the Covid-19 response.
Last month, Downing Street appointed a senior spy to lead the unit to monitor the spread of coronavirus, advise ministers on the alert level for the virus and recommend actions to suppress new outbreaks.
For non Telegraph subscribers, the FT article can be read here:
https://www.ft.com/content/5f65b65e-a7c2-4745-8ad8-fd7a3ec6e0bd
Hopefully they are sorting out PHE’s stats as we speak. A few cross words spoken, without a doubt.
Paywall!
Sorry, I’m not a subscriber but was able to access the article, don’t know how that works though!
Would you like to try reading a few scientific papers and then report back? Presumably you are posting from the USA, vaccine producers do not have indemnity in the EU, see the ECJ report on the Sanofi case. Although no doubt that will be US pharma’s condition for their Brexit trade deal.
Me too. I was often under the impression that he was desperately trying to get the truth into the daily brainwashing sessions.
Not sure of how good an egg he is, although the Graun thought he was the best thing since sliced bread!
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/04/prof-chris-whitty-the-expert-we-need-in-the-coronavirus-crisis
A clue may be that he has (had) strong links to you-know-who (funded a malaria project Whitty was involved with)
MPs publicly against masks. I’m going to email them thanks but so far only Swayne and Chope. Any others that I’m missing?
Sir Edward Leigh and Sir Graham Brady.
“Game on” then. The BBC who have been the Johnson and Cummings mouthpiece for 2-3 years are now in a quandary. Johnson suggested return to ‘semi’ normal from November but BBC trot out various members of the SAGE committee to say no, likewise Witty and Valance.
Is Johnson taking a huge risk in committing to this OR are the SAGE members still thinking about their vaccine windfall?
The BBC have gone so far now on their Project Fear storyline that yesterday’s announcements has thrown them big time.
Game is truly on now, Johnson will be defined by how this now plays out.
I hope Johnson sees the walls of a prison cell and that he is joined there by Hancock, Whitty, Vallance, Ferguson, SAGE and BBC executives.
Johnson is already “defined” as the worst prime minister this country has ever had. And he has had some very stiff competition for that title in recent decades!
I can see no reason for us not to return to normal now.
So why aren’t Witty, Valence and SAGE saying that? Johnson is going out on a limb and disagreeing with them, what would be argument on doing this sooner?
I don’t think they are disagreeing on anything fundamental. They are all still maintaining this virus is extremely dangerous and that unprecedented measures are required to combat it, probably forever.
Everything else is a matter of degree.
What is required is a full admission that this has been a terrible mistake, that it was not necessary or wise, and that the Swedish approach and herd immunity is the only sustainable, moral response. We won’t get that, from anyone involved, so frankly if they want to bicker, or pretend to bicker among themselves, I don’t give a toss.
Agree with Julian 100%
How to break the pretend dichotomy between SAGE and government is the million dollar question. They are essentially still singing from the same hymn sheet
Agree too. Meanwhile there are many Tory bods on the Telegraph hailing Boris for ‘going out on a limb’ with the ‘promise’ of normality by – wait for it – Christmas. That will be after another long, and painful (once the money dries up) five months! Is that when he is planning on exiting the stage, job done, so he can avoid having to fess up to the disaster he has created?
I don’t think Johnson really knows what he is saying or doing half the time.
Agree he’s lost it big time
Because they are EVIL LYING BASTARDS
Not just here though Two-Six, bit long but worth it….
When you have ‘professors’ coming out NOW saying that severe lockdowns should be reimposed to ‘crush the curve’, we can confirm beyond all doubt that this isn’t about combating a virus pandemic. Watch and weep, bit lengthy but worth it. Covers the excess death issue too…..figures being fiddled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HR9IV-y1D0&t=2s
That’s a fair summary of the situation. The more I look at the real data when in a calm and distanced state of mind (rather than fuming), the more I see the incredible hoax that has been played here. There really is absolutely nothing that shows this virus as anything exceptional in the run of infections that periodically affect us. I was asked whether, amongst the seven other worse seasonal mortality levels in the past quarter of a century, 1997/8 was better or worse than 2019/20 (the difference is hard to see on a graph). The actuality is that it was almost identical in terms of the percentage of the population that died. Now – the question is : Who remembers the winter/spring of 1997/98 as a plague year? I certainly don’t. To locate it in memory – it was the first winter of the Blair government, and the death of Diana had occurred earlier. But I can’t remember any panic about an Ebola-like infection during that time that required general lock-up or the wearing of masks. So this year is indeed very, very strange and unusual : but that strangeness has absolutely *nothing* to do with any real virus.… Read more »
The problem is, the answer to that one is always “But it would have been much worse this year if we didn’t lock down, Neil Ferguson said so!”.
You’re right – but only fraudsters would hold onto that hypothesis that has absolutely no basis in evidence.
This goverment and the last believe in Big Science, as in a bunch of theorists messing around with multi-parameter unverified models to drive real life. They like the power it brings.
No mention of Huxley’s The Great Tragedy of Science – the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.
Facts have been successfully removed.
Evidence is now modelling results.
Climate change science did a number on us all for many years now. So no reason why Covid-19 vagueness is not accepted heartily.
No one, and even here, questions the original source data. But I bet if your bank told you that you owed them £10000 you’d check your account really quickly to make sure. You’d go out of your way to track that data and make sure it was all true before you did anything.
Just just here in the UK John. I keep posting this from Ivor Cummins, bit long but well worth it
“When you have ‘professors’ coming out NOW saying that severe lockdowns should be reimposed to ‘crush the curve’, we can confirm beyond all doubt that this isn’t about combating a virus pandemic. Watch and weep, bit lengthy but worth it. Covers the excess death issue too…..figures being fiddled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HR9IV-y1D0&t=2s
You keep admitting that you keep posting this . I think we know it is there now.. We are not mask wearing sheeple without independent thought..
point taken
“Game is truly on now, Johnson will be defined by how this now plays out.” He has already defined himself. His initial mistake, had it been followed by an admission of guilt, would have been grounds for resignation but no more. What has happened since can only be forgiven by his Maker. “The BBC who have been the Johnson and Cummings mouthpiece for 2-3 years are now in a quandary.” I presume you mean 2-3 months. Before that, it was mutual loathing. I think the BBC has enthusiastically supported those government policies of which the BBC approved. As time goes on, they will become more critical, but only to ask for more lockdown, more fear, more masks. As for the divergence between the government and SAGE, it MAY just be theatre or it may be genuine. SAGE don’t need to get re-elected, the government do. The government wants to get the economy back into some kind of shape, in my view, as presiding over a neverending disaster is probably not in their interests or much fun. Better to have a country that still feels a little bit prosperous, with compliant citizens, by opening up enough to get back to semi-normal… Read more »
“Johnson’s return to normal isn’t really anything like normal”
Precisely, and as long as he can keep this running, he can avoid the really hard questions.
MPs in general have no investment in stirring it As long as their constituents remain largely fearful and quiescent, they can take the money and sit masked and quiescent, pretending to virtue.
Starmer has no investment in stirring it (as if his instincts were ever other than the establishment back-up) – he can avoid a potentially uncomfortable Conference as long as this goes on; not that the wider Labour Party has been noted for its engagement with this particular issue, any more than any other.
As to SAGE – ? What to say? It’s hardly a model of the scientific method, is it? And, although not up for election, the members have a vested interest in confirmation bias and/or keeping schtum now that they have assented to the crocodile winding down the garden path of mythology, instead of supporting critical analysis.
ScienceJohnson
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This is how I see what has been happening over the last few weeks. Boris wants to show that he can be a leader (far too late for that now). The latest predictions for the second wave this winter plus Vallance’s statement mean that he can say “No matter what the science says, I’m making the decision to get back to normal. Look what a great statesman I am”
Sorry. Spacing hasn’t worked. The gap between science and Johnson was supposed to get wider on each line!
Maybe option space?
When you have ‘professors’ coming out NOW saying that severe lockdowns should be reimposed to ‘crush the curve’, we can confirm beyond all doubt that this isn’t about combating a virus pandemic. Watch and weep, bit lengthy but worth it. Covers the excess death issue too…..figures being fiddled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HR9IV-y1D0&t=2s
Honest to god… stop it.
Point taken, got carried away a tad when the reed mist came up after watching
Might explain why SAGE will be sidelined – see my post above.
On the other hand, it would be a convenient smokescreen while we move from supposed health measures to implementing the AI part of the plan.
Contrary to some opinions I have read earlier today, it is quite obvious to me that the disgusting bbc has been at war with the Tory government ever since it was elected, the battle lines being the 4 c’s – covid crap and carbon crap. They see Johnson as the new Trump – hell, they even look a bit alike! So if the bbc is at war with the government then why do they seem to be offering nothing but support? The answer to that is blindingly simple, if you see somebody you want rid of digging their own graves, you don’t try and stop them, you throw them more shovels, and that is exactly what the bbc has been doing. So why has Johnson now said that there might be an end to all this one day? Again simple, although there hasn’t been a murmur of dissent from the back benches, I am pretty sure that information from conservative central office on cancelled memberships has begun to filter through to him and this is his new motivation. I only wish I had been a party member as cancelling said membership would have been a more powerful tool than anything… Read more »
The BBC won the election for Johnson. So quite why you think they are at war? Darling Laura and all that. The BBC are the Tory mouthpiece hence with Johnson now starting to talk about normality is challenging for the BBC because they have invested so much time in Project Fear and Johnson has signalled and end to that. Most of this nation follow the BBC and do basically what the BBC advises.
Blimey. Having watched the BBC through the leadership campaign, the election campaign and (until a few days ago), I didn’t pick up on any of that. I’ll give you that the BBC have been enthusiastic propagandists for the fear porn, but they’ve been pretty clear from the beginning that they think that, even though lockdown is a superb idea, the government have done it wrong.
Surely as long as they support and therefore prolong the lockdown, it doesn’t matter too much how they portray the government.
I’m not excusing the BBC for their role – I’m just fascinated by the characterization of them as being pro-Johnson, because I have never, never seen them be such a thing.
I think Old Bill & Matt are spot on – the Beeb is vehemently opposed to this Govt.; Johnson & Cummins in particular. They have fanned the flames of this delusional C19 disaster and in doing so, hope that the Tories will fall into the flames – however that happens.
The shifting of lockdown responsibility to Local authorities is such a smart move – very like the one where they shifted the responsibility for school closure onto the schools & LEAs.
As a parent, I can tell you that the schools have responded pretty sharpish to this Govt. abdication of responsibility and the Unions have shut up. And the MSM have lost interest, pretty much. They cannot be seen to be berating the schools – they want to berate the Gov.
The Beeb loathe this Gov. and they will bend the facts into any sort of shape to paint them black as black.
This does not mean I am in any way forgiving the Gov. for this catastrophe, it is just that I am aware that there is a war on and a phoney media war at the same time, just as in the States.
Sent an email with this link to a new YouTube video to Toby, but it may be taken down before he gets time to view it and consider adding it to the resources on a subsequent newsletter, so sharing it here in case folk want to view it and make up their own minds as to how valid it might be, or not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heB3FnXyCI&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3enoPvh5mzhLaDPUW1e7S_u5t3x9HRmDKBcT9U0f6m_Ly9h2QnRUL4eJE Video is actually from the UK (http://www.govote.org.uk), but was flagged up in an American news programme. It is about the research being done by a team led by Andrew Preston at Bath University, funded by a £28 million grant from Bill Gates, working with GSK Biologicals in Belgium. Vaccine uses a mix of antigens and chemicals, including the HCG antigen (which causes sterility in females), OLH & 37 amino acids, and GNRH which in males results in drops of testosterone levels, atrophy of the prostate, and decreased testicular size. Vaccine tested so far on 63 female volunteers – 61 became sterile. It bears out similar evidence given by American molecular biologist Judy Mikovits concerning the trials at her former lab, headed by Dr Fauci, also funded by Bill Gates; the YouTube interview with her was also… Read more »
Have a look at this too SL….
When you have ‘professors’ coming out NOW saying that severe lockdowns should be reimposed to ‘crush the curve’, we can confirm beyond all doubt that this isn’t about combating a virus pandemic. Watch and weep, bit lengthy but worth it. Covers the excess death issue too…..figures being fiddled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HR9IV-y1D0&t=2s
Does the T stand for Troll?
You seem determined to fill the comments with the same copy/pasted thing.
It might be good but you’re flogging it to death.
I’ve commented at length on this elsewhere but I think this comment says it all:
A video thats so BANNED that we are all able to watch it on YT
My badges are now on Ebay if you want one.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154011405612
Sharing the link. Thumbs up.
YAY! Thank you. I haven’t got any friends so I can’t promote this sale myself.
Friends risk social interaction, which spreads the virus, so they are banned.
Yer it’s way too risky to engage with most people these days.
This is so true.
Or got furloughed, needed the bus, the shop, the pub or any of the things that were taken from us. Stayed on £83,000 plus expenses, plus fiddle, plus £10,000 ‘homeworking allowance etc., etc.
Or wears a mask in shops because they don’t shop.
Or don’t have to queue or follow stupid one way systems or be forced to use hand sanitisers because they don’t shop, hardly go to restaurants or museums!
Unless they’re mask-posturing in Pret!
A virus so deadly that not 1 politician has died from it.
Not quite, there’s the president of Burundi who recently expelled the WHO envoys from his country. He mysteriously died of a heart attack (caused by Covid, so they say) , before the election.
Yet.
*runs hands together*
Yet.
I seem to have gone slightly viral with my comment on a Facebook post…
https://www.ladbible.com/news/viral-man-23-with-covid-19-shares-tiktok-videos-from-hospital-as-warning-20200718?c=1595061989510?source=facebook
My comment: ‘Karim Salmen was born with a pulmonary condition called bronchiolitis obliterans, which causes inflammation in the lung’s smallest airways, and also has pectus excavatum, which means his breastbone is sunken into his chest.’ Yes young people aren’t invincible but scaremongering bullshit like this is not okay’
It’s received 441 reactions (mostly likes + loves) and 80+ comments (a lot of them not so positive)
Well done – it takes some courage to stand up to that sort of moral blackmail.
I’ve been told that I’m a ‘silly little girl’ and that I should just ‘sit down’.
But here’s my favourite supportive comment so far: “Give up my dear the liberals are out of the cages” 😂
It’s now gone to over 1,000 reactions and the comments keep growing 😂
An interesting coincidence I have seen pointed out. I am sure it is just coincidence and so please forgive me for pointing out this irrelevance. I have often thought that the cornavirus act is like our enabling act 1933.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-enabling-act
The law was passed on March 23, 1933
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_Act_2020
passed the House of Commons without a vote on 23 March
How does something pass the House of Commons without a vote anyway? Has that ever happened before? seems to defeat the entire purpose of the house of commons.
“How does something pass the House of Commons without a vote anyway?”
I don’t know, but I didn’t see much resistance to it’s passing from MPs.
My understanding is that if no one calls out an objection, then no vote takes place. Voting in the HoC is a time consuming business so I think resolutions without votes are quite common.
It’s an interesting parallel.
But in answer to the question – the original Act *was* ‘debated’ in the Commons – but the sheep were terrified into only the most superficial scrutiny. The only concession was (if I remember) clauses relating to timescales for renewal.
The fundamental problem is that enabling legislation like this hands power to the executive without real constraint, such that regulations under the Act, such as we have seen, are dreamed up on the back of an envelope without scrutiny.
Essentially, the process is undemocratic, and was meant for rel emergencies, not manufactured ones.
MP? Where??
Because some of the “Acts” are actually Statutory Instruments or S.I.s and these do not require any sort of Parliamentary Oversight. They have put “Act” in the name to make you think it is “proper” legislation. S.I.s are supplementary to an enabling Act – a lot of the S.I.s for coronavirus fall under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, (The original (now revoked) The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 from 10th February is one of these.) Very, very few are UK Public General Acts which are supposed to have Parliamentary oversight and consultation but this is being pencilwhipped through and passed with almost zero debate. Coronavirus or officially in the legislation known as : Meaning of “coronavirus” and related terminology (1)In this Act— “coronavirus” means severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2); “coronavirus disease” means COVID-19 (the official designation of the disease which can be caused by coronavirus). Is very hard to prove that exact strain exists and then shut down and restrict premises as there is no test as yet that can isolate the “virus” and prove you are suffering from it (Koch’s postulates) or it is contaminating a premises so the Public Health legislation is useless… Read more »
And even worse, was renewed in 1937 and 1941. I believe German politicians had other things on their mind when it came due for renewal again in March 1945. :o))
I’m not so sure he’s that crazy, especially compared to our lot. Not that I would want to live there. And I am sure he’s probably not a very nice man if you get on the wrong side of him.
They seem to have had a second wave of deaths, which hasn’t stopped falling yet. They are an outlier as they did have a sort of first wave. It will indeed be interesting to see what happens.
“They seem to have had a second wave of deaths, which hasn’t stopped falling yet”
NO. Please provide concrete evidence before pandering to the “second wave” narrative.
Iran is a third world country. Can you rely on their statistics? (Hint: can we rely on ours?)
Just taking it from worldometers, presume the stats are as supplied by Iranian government. Hard to know, regarding the stats. Ours are dodgy too. It’s usually harder to fake or cover up deaths so really one would need to look at all-cause mortality and compare to previous years. I’m afraid I don’t have the time to find anything that might be more accurate.
If you look at deaths on worldometers, in general most countries follow the same curve, so I would guess they are vaguely accurate.
Problem – the Worldometer figures, as you say, are dodgy. Even a cursory glance shows the inconsistencies.
I find the FT graphs and their COVID data better in general. Death and case graphs can be found here:
https://bit.ly/2CQNQGE
Iran seems to have opened up a lot and deaths have risen but not exponentially. Case numbers seem relatively flat but case numbers aren’t that useful anyway.
ONS stats are good (and no I do not now nor have I ever worked for them , thanks for asking) ! The problem is that people can’t be bothered to read them before dissing them.
PHE are trying to do a different predictive thing as well, and have made at least one egregious error in the process.
Interesting exchange between the chairman of the Lords science select committee yesterday, Lord Patel, and Professor Whitty. Professor Whitty praised ONS stats as the best in the world, and how data was extremely valuable and extensive, etc. etc. To which the good Lord replied ‘so why do you have to rely on modelling’ – by which I assumed he was referring to the ICL model and its Chinese dataset that still seems to be directing SAGE and ‘the science’.
I am sorry to say that it was not until reading your response, TT, that I realised that the regular grilling of Vallance and others by Lord Patel’s Parliamentary Conmittee is freely available here, and for example, the transcript for 16 July makes fascinating reading:
https://committees.parliament.uk/event/1112/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/
Just the sort of questions, on economic analysis (or absence of), mask wearing evidence, when did SAGE advise politicians about care homes, etc., that so many here have asked in different ways over the past months. Haven’t read it all yet. if you have, some edited highlights might help others?
Gosh Freudian slip there, Committee!
Sorry Sylvie I only listened to bits and pieces (we always have either Sky or CNBC on in the background while ‘working’). I often watch debates/committee meetings with the sound off, to see what I can glean from body language (I know, I need to get out more!). I was taken by Patrick Vallance’s cold sore on his upper right lip – a sign of stress? – and an interesting off camera/Zoom when he looked especially p’d off when Chris Whitty cut across him with an answer to a question he fluffed. I have thought for some time that the body language between Vallance and Whitty suggests conflict, hence I suggested the other day, that in common with Therese Coffey (only Cabinet minister with a science background, and from Mrs Thatcher’s alma mater) Chris Whitty needs to come clean on ‘the science’ as a ‘doctor’. Wishful thinking, perhaps?
Dispatches from the War: Mr. Trump, the enemy is deep inside the gate
“…don’t blithely assume the economy is reopening and things will continue to improve. The nation is under the control of public health traitors. They can declare “new waves” of cases. They can invent pretexts at the drop of a hat, and governors and mayors can declare lockdowns again. This is not over. The economic war against the people is being waged to destroy America.”
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/07/17/mr-trump-the-enemy-is-deep-inside-the-gate/
The new council powers give our lot the same weapons to use against us.
And without doubt they – the local government scroungers and parasites – will be chomping at the bit to use them.
The tinpot Hitlers will love it. I forsee pub closures etc. very soon, over nothing.
I can deal with quite a few problems by video or telephone consults. I do still see a few patients face to face because this gives me more information. I had three of the 15 I saw face to face yesterday sympathising with me because I had to wear a mask all day. I have to be careful in my reply. I am aware of entrapment ! One of my patients volunteered that they wouldn’t be shopping from next Friday and had instead registered for click and collect.
In our surgery death certificate book I flicked through the stubs. Some from April had Covid19 , all from the same nursing homes . None for three months
Went to the local cafe for lunch. waiting staff tugging their dirty face rags up and down . What a waste of time . Request for my name and number . I usually follow the same policy when giving my name in Starbucks which is the first name which pops into my head. What name do other sceptics give ?
I’ve not yet had ‘pleasure’ of having to provide my details, but if/when I do, it will be a mobile number with a couple of digits different from my actual number.
Give a false name and number. Pubs and restaurants have no authority to demand verification of your real identity or make you fill in the track and track bullpoop. I have said to quite few pub people that I will not give my details and if they insist then I have made it clear that I am giving them a false name. I have got my beers in. No trouble at all.
Yes. Remember – it’s not their fault.
Not sure about that… That’s it’s not their fault.
Taking someone’s details is a very big infringement of personal privacy and these establishments are doing it without a moment’s hesitation or thought. Because they have mindlessly swallowed the bull without due process of thought or scrutiny.
My mother in law (German) said something similar about her fellow country-folk – that ‘it wasn’t their fault’ because they were being, her words, ‘good neighbours’. We were discussing the reporting of the presence of suspected Jews in communities in Berlin before & during the war. She maintained that it was the law and so the people were exempt from moral scrutiny.
This is a very dubious position to take – then as now…
that’s precisely what i did – gave a different digit in my mobile number – so could be down to a typo…
I call my self ‘Harry Hopkins’ (called after FD Roosevelt’s right hand man during the great depression and second world war) and I have a ficticious mobile ‘phone number memorised by combining dates of events in my life. The irony is that whilst my ficticious phone number is never forgotten I sometimes for the life of me cannot recall my genuine number!
Ivor Biggun
RJ Bingham, 46 Lower Belgrave Street, London SW1W 0LN
Would be interesting to ask the establishment for their privacy policy and how they comply with the EU GDPR regulations and the 8 user rights of how companies use personal data.
I can’t remember all the 8 user rights now but products needed to compliant when the edict came in a couple of years ago and a lot of fuss in companies – the ICO website has all the info for the curious.
I will be:
Carrie Symonds
10 Downing Street
London SW1A
or
Veronica Bingham,
46 Lower Belgrave Street,
London SW1W 0LN
Yesterday I became Matt Wancock of Room 101, BBC Broadcasting House, London for a few hours. It was an ok experience.
I’ve posted this before but if you are struggling to make up some details, find some at https://members.parliament.uk/FindYourMP
If enough do it the feckers will be constantly told to self-isolate.
Would we notice any difference?
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/
Conclusion, cloth masks absolutely no protection and increase risk of infection
Going to enjoy telling the ‘designer mask’ wearers that little gem