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Bob’s cartoon in the Telegraph on 23rd May 2020

A new law was waved through Parliament late last night, banning gatherings of more than six people, and empowering the police to impose swingeing fines on anyone breaking this new rule. Officially, this was an amendment to the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020.

The Express says the new law has been introduced in response to the disorder that broke out in Whitehall on Saturday, although it’s worth bearing in mind that protests of more than 100 people are already banned and, to date, the only time there’s been an attempt to enforce that prohibition has been when anti-lockdown protestors have gathered in large numbers. When it comes to tens of thousands of people thronging the streets to show their support for Black Lives Matter, the Government has turned a blind eye. Indeed, many politicians, including Sadiq Khan, have celebrated those protests and at least one Labour MP has joined in.

It’s a sign of how resigned we are to the suspension of our liberties that this new prohibition has caused barely a murmur. It sailed through the House of Commons unopposed, with Labour MPs voting for it.

Thankfully, there is a sunset clause in the original Regulations, meaning the 2020 Act expires after six months on September 26th.

Latest ONS Data Shows Deaths in London Have Fallen to Below Five-Year Average

Latest ONS data for week ending June 5th

London is the first region since March to have a level of weekly deaths below its five year weekly average according to today’s ONS data – 2.8% below. This is for the week of May 30th to June 5th.

Remind me why masks are compulsory on Transport for London, pubs and restaurants in the capital are still closed and it’s impossible to get into any shops on London’s high streets without queueing because of ridiculous, unenforceable two-metre social distancing rules?

It is because the Government is too embarrassed to admit it wildly over-estimated how dangerous the virus is?

William Hague Becomes Lockdown Sceptic

Ex-Tory leader William Hague has a good column in the Telegraph today in which he reviews the impact of the lockdowns and concludes that they’ve been a “disaster for our society”.

“Instead of having to rely entirely on widely varying mathematical models and fight an unknown virus in a fog of uncertainty, governments can start to see what has actually worked in different places around the world,” he says. He continues:

For instance, we can now see that it is not necessary to have a two-metre separation between people to keep the virus in retreat where it is already at a low level. We know this from the experience of countries such as Denmark, France and Germany where the recommended distance is shorter, and we should not have to spend weeks agonising over it. Great swathes of our hospitality industry could thus be saved.

We also know that these and other European countries are continuing to make progress without quarantining people entering from low-risk countries nearby, and can therefore concentrate on testing arrivals and stopping people coming from high-risk places. So the rather belated decision to require everyone arriving in the UK to quarantine themselves for two weeks ought soon to be ditched.

We can also begin to discern the true cost of a national lockdown, not just in economic but in human terms. The unemployment figures about to be released represent a personal catastrophe for hundreds of thousands of people. Large rounds of corporate redundancies mean worse is to come. For many individuals, lockdown is going to mean depression, family breakdown and despair.

On top of this, we can now be sure that there will be tens of thousands of undetected cancers. Evidence is mounting that domestic abuse is rising, and mental health deteriorating. Dental standards will have dropped sharply, with lasting consequences. Above all, the education and development of millions of young people has been severely damaged, and they will carry the scars of that for the rest of their long lives.

Some of us didn’t have to wait until three months after the lockdown was imposed to reach this conclusion – it was obvious it was going to be a disaster from day one. (I wrote my first sceptical piece on March 31st.) But it’s good to have such a powerful ally.

Welcome to the rapidly-growing club, Mr Hague.

We’re winning the argument.

Welsh Tourism Industry on Brink

The Welsh dragon imprisoned in a lockdown cage

I got an email from a reader in Wales who’s worried about the imminent collapse of the Welsh tourism industry.

The Lockdown in Wales is more extreme than anywhere else in the UK. Many small business people in the holiday and leisure business, from caravan park owners, to pubs, hotels, restaurants and cafes are either on the point of collapse or have already gone bust.

Even the BBC is reporting the imminent collapse of the Welsh tourism industry.

But what is the Welsh Government doing? Not much – if anything. Apparently, the First Minster, the hapless Mark Drakenford, did not even reply to a letter from Chairman of the Welsh Association of Visitor Attractions.

I am hoping some more pressure can be put on the Welsh Government and that Lockdown Sceptics can produce some information that might assist in this.

If you can highlight the plight of the Welsh tourism industry in Lockdown Sceptics that would be much appreciated.

Good idea. Please send me information about Welsh tourism businesses in trouble as a result of the lockdown and if I get enough I’ll start a regular feature. Email me here with your stories.

In the meantime, here’s a reminder of just how incompetent the Welsh Government has proved when it comes to testing.

Mounting Costs of Furlough Scheme

9.1 million workers have now been furloughed with their wages paid by the Government’s job retention scheme. The total value of claims is currently £20.8 billion and mounting.

The Times has more on the UK’s economic woes:

In a warning to the Government as it winds down its economic support packages, figures released by the Office of National Statistics today show that the number of people claiming jobseekers’ allowance and work-related universal credit benefits rose by 528,000 in May.

At the same time the number of workers on company payrolls fell by 612,000 between March and May while vacancies also dropped by 342,000 to 476,000.

This was the largest quarterly fall since the statistics were first collected in 2001 and was driven by large slumps in the retail and food and accommodation sectors.

The figures also showed a record quarter-on-quarter fall of 131,000 in the number of self-employed people in the three months to April and a record fall, of 8.9 per cent, in the number of weekly hours worked over the same period, compared with a year earlier.

New UCL Paper on Contact Tracing Gulls Credulous Journalist

UnHerd‘s Tom Chivers looks deeply into the latest epidemiological modelling

The ex-Google software engineer who has published several articles in Lockdown Sceptics under the name “Sue Denim” has written a new blog post. This one is about a paper on contact tracing that Tom Chivers discusses in an article for UnHerd. The problem is, the paper relies on the same epidemiological models – such as the one underpinning Imperial College’s Report 9, predicting a quarter of a million deaths if the Government continued with its mitigation strategy – that we know know are inaccurate.

Why does Chivers, who is more scientifically literate than most journalists, not scrutinise the paper more carefully? Why doesn’t he challenge the paper’s assumption that the infection fatality rate of COVID-19 is 1.0%, roughly four times the estimate of the CDC?

Sue Denim is at his/her wit’s end:

It’s time readers demand journalists push the mute button on these kinds of papers and the modellers who write them. If academics want to be taken seriously in future, they should start creating public databases of past events and matching new outbreaks to them instead of trying to simulate how whole societies are likely to behave in the future. Empirical observation of the past can then be applied to estimate the future. Although this won’t require fancy modelling skills and may yield only a few papers, the results would be far more useful.

I’ve given the post pride of place in the right-hand menu beneath Sue Denim’s other three posts.

Facial Recognition Software to Monitor Employees Working From Home

If you thought working from home provided you with a bit more flexibility than going in to the office every day, think again. PwC, one of the big four accountancy firms, is rolling out a new facial recognition tool that will allow clients to track employees’ absences from their computer screens while they claim to be “working from home”. According to the Telegraph, it will use employees’ webcams to log absences from their desks and force them to give a written explanation for time spent away from their computer screens.

And it’s not just PcW. The firm is in talks with four investment banks and an asset manager over the use of facial recognition technology. The reason, apparently, is not the fear that people working from home are slacking off, but because of the need to comply with financial regulations. When employees of financial services companies are in the office, they have to comply with various rules, such as not taking their mobile phones on to the trading floor, and PcW and various investment banks are thinking about how these rules could be enforced when people are working from home.

A PwC spokesman said:

This technology was developed specifically to support the compliance environment required for traders and front office staff. Crucially it is designed to support those adhering to the regulations while remote working in the least intrusive, pragmatic way.

Round-Up

And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Theme Tune Suggestions From Readers

Just the one suggestion today: “Hold on Loosely” by 38 Special

Small Businesses That Have Reopened

A few weeks ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have reopened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you. Now that non-essential shops have reopened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet.

Shameless Begging Bit

Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation in the last 24 hours to pay for the upkeep of this site. It takes me many hours every day, which doesn’t leave much time for other work. If you feel like donating, however small the amount, please click here. Alternatively, you can donate to the Free Speech Union’s litigation fund by clicking here or join the Free Speech Union here. And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in future updates, email me here.

And Finally…

If you have a spare half hour and want some light relief, I’d recommend the South Park episode “Shots”, which you can watch on Amazon Prime for £2.95. Here’s an extract from the plot summary on Wikipedia:

Meanwhile, fourth grader Eric Cartman, who is terrified of needles, refuses the vaccine required by his school, squealing like a pig and evading restraint whenever a shot is imminent. Threatened with expulsion from South Park Elementary, he attempts to avoid vaccinations by lobbying to be designated a conscientious objector, citing fears that vaccines might make him “artistic”. He has his mother, Liane, repeat this notion at a town meeting, but she then abandons this ruse to confess with exasperation that she simply cannot restrain him for the shot. Fearing that this may threaten the herd immunity that protects their children, the other parents in town conspire with her to ambush Cartman with a shot as he sleeps, and when this fails, they hire an expert pig wrestler, Big Mesquite Murph, who captures Cartman and places him in a pen. However, Cartman proves too fast for Big Mesquite Murph to restrain, so a rodeo is organized, which will pit the non-immunized children of South Park against those attempting to administer the required shots.

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HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago
HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

Jobs figures look strong until you scratch the surface by Philip Aldrick Economics Editor

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/jobs-figures-look-strong-until-you-scratch-the-surface-xqflx208c

Schrodinger
5 years ago

Wales is truly a shambles with us restricted to local travel which the guidance says is 5 miles. Anyway tomorrow I am making a break for the UK to spend time with my sons and Grandson in England.   The police in Wales have indeed been acting as if it is a police state and the Welsh Government have been tightening the legislation as time has gone by.   Interestingly I believe that there is nothing to stop someone from England travelling to Wales for a day trip (despite the Welsh police turning back a 1000 vehicles from England a few weekends ago). I’d be interested in any legal views on this but:   The legislation, here, restricting travel etc. is The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) Regulations 2020   http://www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2020/353/contents   Section 1 (2) says “These Regulations apply in relation to Wales”   Section 8 (1) restricts travel ” During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.”   Thus, I would contend, that anyone visiting Wales from England cannot have their travel restricted as they do not live in Wales for this section to apply. i.e. The Act does not… Read more »

matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

How is the famous “5 miles” restriction codified in law, if at all?

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

‘Five miles’ us a slightly flexible term for some people where I come from ( won’t specify in case the Gestapo are listening), but to anybody running a business it’s.ruination, because the Gestapo really will be after them if they don’t conform. And all ‘tourist’ activities, i.e. practically all activities hereabouts, count as ‘unnecessary travel’.
 
My town already looks like a ghost town, and if Stalin Drakeford has his way, it will become one and stay one fir the foreseeable future. Ruined hopes, ruined lives.

arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Toby put up the website for a Welsh sceptics site sometime ago but I can’t find it. Did anyone bookmark it, please?

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo
Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Unlike London which gets year round tourist trade the tourist industry in Wales is dependent on the summer trade. If tourist dependent businesses miss the summer trade, I don’t see how businesses can be viable. All Shops in England can open but here in Wales we can’t.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

All our tourist businesses in West Wales depend utterly in the summer season. With the winderful weather, this year ought to have been a bonanza.
Instead: Drakeford’s apocalypse.
I could strangle him with my own hands. I could really.

Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

If large numbers of hotels, B & Bs and campsites go bust, this will permanently kill off our tourist trade because who will want to come and visit wales or anywhere else in the uk if there is nowhere to stay. Remaining hotels can charge higher if they have less competition.

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

They can charge higher but who will stay in them?

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Indeed because people won’t just bother going.

T.Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The people of Wales must NEVER forget

Melangell
Melangell
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I feel deep concern on behalf of all the local owners of cafes, hotels, BandBs and other holiday lets, and tourist attractions here where I live in West Wales. They work themselves to the bone all summer to make enough money during the “season” to keep body and soul together from October to April. I tremble to think how they are going to survive the next one with no summer income in sight as this absurd, irrational lockdown drags on and on.

Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

The Irish legislation was held to not cover those who live in Northern Ireland on similar words as their place they were living was not in the Republic of Ireland. This resulted in NI residents having full freedom of movement in the Republic.

Emma
Emma
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

I happened to stray over the border into Wales a couple of weeks ago. I live in Hereford and drove to Llanthony Priory to walk through the empty valley and up onto the hills. But I was accosted by the young female farmer and her familiar. I was asked if I was ‘local’, and given a really hard time. They were furious that I might have touched a gate etc. Although they couldn’t quote the legislation, I too was unsure if it was actually legislation or just ‘guidance’, this has been the source of much confusion I think. Anyway I did leave, but vowed never to buy Welsh lamb again. It doesn’t encourage you to think of Wales as a holiday destination.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Emma

There are thick people everywhere, Emma. We received a FPN from Sussex plod a few weeks ago. I’ll probably keep drinking Harveys though …

sok
sok
5 years ago
Reply to  Emma

Such a bad advert for Wales. Disaster. They are really doing themselves no favours.

Stephen Lord
Stephen Lord
5 years ago
Reply to  sok

It’s not just Wales, Cornwall has a dreadful attitude. Lake District too. I was thinking of escaping to Ireland but a friend there said in the smaller remote places, we wouldn’t be welcome.
 

The Spingler
The Spingler
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

Long time since I did my law degree but I would hazard that your assessment is probably correct Schrodinger .
 
I’m lucky to live within 7 miles of the English border, so we take that as being local and are merrily hopping across the border whenever we feel like it. I think a lot of people are just doing what they like now – feels like it on the roads and seeing people out and about, there doesn’t seem to be much social distancing going on. Apparently both Severn Bridges were very busy on Monday with the English shops opening. Good on all those Welsh folk eager to start shopping. Whether Dragfeet likes it or not people have decided that lockdown is over. He seems paralysed with fear and unable to lead or make any sort of decision. Hopefully his days are number – Welsh elections next year and Labour will not be getting my vote.
 
 

Annabel Andrew
Annabel Andrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

If enough of you just get out there and defy them, what are they going to do- arrest you all?

Lms2
Lms2
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

It would seem that the more “progressive” the local government, the stricter the lockdown.

Emma
Emma
5 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

I just sent this to Drakeford and took the liberty of using some of your text, hope you don’t mind: Dear Mr Drakeford,   I am writing to seek clarification on the law regarding travel into Wales from England.   The legislation, here, restricting travel etc. is The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) Regulations 2020   http://www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2020/353/contents   Section 1 (2) says “These Regulations apply in relation to Wales”   Section 8 (1) restricts travel ” During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.”   Thus, I would contend, that anyone visiting Wales from England cannot have their travel restricted as they do not live in Wales for this section to apply. i.e. the Act does not restrict travel per se in Wales, it just restricts people leaving the ‘place where they are living’. If they do not have a home in Wales it cannot therefore apply. Please can you inform me as soon as possible if I have understood this correctly. I intend to visit Hay on Wye this week-end, as I do frequently under normal circumstances, contributing to the Welsh economy.   Unless you intend to ruin the tourism… Read more »

South Coast Worker
South Coast Worker
5 years ago

Putting a patient on a ventilator is near enough a death sentence. Why are they still doing it at all? Trying to make that poor practice less deadly seems like backwards thinking to me. Preventative measures like HCQ would surely be more appropriate.

djaustin
djaustin
5 years ago

Well the same trial showed HCQ had no effect. The data show that the most severe patients benefit most from steroid treatment. And not putting them on a ventilator? There is little data on that course if care in those so sick that there are no options left.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  djaustin

The guy heading up the dexamethasone study was clear in not ruling out positive effects of HCQ for patients with mild symptoms or as a preventative drug.
 
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IanE
IanE
5 years ago

Ye gods, today has been truly awful – idiots in supermarkets seem to be doubling in number every week: I nearly lost my rag today. Yet we see that EVEN William Hague has finally twigged what has happened. Just what sort of asinine f**kwit does one have to be to still support this insane lockdown – and how come the government is still behind it? Hmm, I guess the first part of my last sentence answers the second part!

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

“Just what sort of asinine f**kwit does one have to be to still support this insane lockdown”
I hope this is a rhetorical question otherwise it’s going to be an awfully long list……

Keencook
Keencook
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

Just reading this thread and laughing makes me feel SOOOO much better – thanks both

T.Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Keencook

You’re welcome! Come back tomorrow and the day after….it’s certainly kept me sane over recent weeks. !

Chris John (Skippy)
Chris John (Skippy)
5 years ago
Reply to  T. Prince

Start off with those who are against the lockdown, less writers cramp!

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Whenever you hear someone quoting the latest deaths remind them

“It practically guaranteed attribution of COVID 19 mortality on the flimsiest of evidence. For example, the ONS stated:

If before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID 19 infection…it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death.”

As the ONS acknowledges, these symptoms could have been caused by a range of respiratory illnesses. The obvious consequence of the guidance they issued is over, not under, diagnosis of COVID 19. Doctors have to follow policy like anyone else. They are not to blame for this problem. State legislators and policymakers are.“

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/13/lockdown-regime-deaths-the-true-cost-of-lokin-20/

A leaf
A leaf
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I habe seen people running at night on empty streets with a mask on, people with masks and gloves at supermarkets, people avoiding people like dog shit on a very wide pavement and walking on the road instead. I have seen people putting masks on their children etc.. i have lost it quite along time ago and am very pessimistic about all these ocd ridden hypocondriac people

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  A leaf

Just let the silly buggers get on with it. Help them, indeed: Darwinian selection to remove the hopelessly moronic. Walk straight towards them and force them under a bus. Talk loudly about the dangers of maskwearing. Jeer. Snigger. You’re quite safe, how can they
possibly touch you?

Offlands
Offlands
5 years ago
Reply to  A leaf

Exercising with a Mask could prove fatal:

https://infosurhoy.com/science/exercising-with-a-face-mask-on-could-prove-fatal-expert-warns/

Maybe a few well placed posters on popular running routes may help?

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

‘the safety of the sporting community’, eh?
No hope, you guys. Mask on, you drop dead from CO2 poisoning. Mask off, you drop dead from the Covibug.
Much better to keep unfit.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago

Just done my weekly foray to the shops. Busier than of late.
 
Waitrose – no queue, all as per normal inside. No bloody molasses sugar though !
 
Homebase – no queue, totally deserted. I asked a manager if they had ever been full. Oh yes, she said. She told me their limit is 20 people (in a place the size of a hangar). When I pointed out that the smaller Waitrose takes 32, she explained that the 20 poor sods need to be managed. She by now was giving true believer signals, so I laughed & walked on. At the till, asked if the loos were open. No, but I could use them ! Left to staff discretion, apparently. We agreed the guidelines allowed for loos to be open.
 
Stationers (small chain) – lady at door had a visor. This is voluntary, to “make people feel safer”. Thereafter no problem.
 
Health Food shop (Independent) – asked if I would mind sanitising. ‘Yes’, I said. Then feeling a bit more was called for, said ‘Allergies’. Thereafter no problem. 
 
No leapers, only a few maskers. This nonsense is on its way out.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Oh I hope so.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

No molasses, how can we bear it?
 
(Only joking. Your message has cheered me.)

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

As it happens, Annie, my wife found a bag or organic coconut sugar in Lidl. So all is well with my coffee once again. 🙂

matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

My wife just got a delivery of porridge oats from amazon.

Holy god, but I’ve never seen so many oats together in one place in my life.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

Aldi’s organic oats are fantastic.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Delighted to hear it, enjoy!

sok
sok
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Some shopstaff really relish thier new powers of authority, high vis, mask, two way radio earpiece, wrap around shades etc.. Comical really. Reminds me of stewards at a local music festival rugby tackling me for smoking near the main stage marquee when the idiotic smoking ban was enacted. Asshats)

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago

Not only is Hancock taking what amounts to personal credit for the dexamethasone discovery, it was only possible at all because of developing, backing and being guided by “the science”, of course…
 
“Thanks to the brilliant scientists at Oxford University, working with the NHS, funded by the government, we’ve been able to develop the science that shows that dexamethasone reduces mortality by between a sixth and a third. This is huge step forward and it’s because we’ve backed the science, and because we’ve taken an approach that’s guided by the science that we’ve been able to deliver this result.”
 
When will he go away??

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Not soon enough. He is so smug and arrogant. These people think they’re above the law, oh wait…

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Please, please, please let Hancock have broken lockdown. I live for the day that any indiscretion, however minor, is exposed…

CarrieAH
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

He’s a pre-programmes robot. It’s the only explanation for the way he walks and talks.

CarrieAH
5 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

pre-programmed not pre-programmes! Oh for an edit button for those of us whose eyesight is no longer up to standard and whose auto correct has a mind of its’ own.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Here he is at world economic forum 2019 getting his programming:
 
https://www.facebook.com/matthancockofficial/photos/a.523654854422238/2010641649056877/?theater

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

The Duracell Bunny, complete with cloth ears and stuffing inbetween.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

He’s certainly one of the strangest individuals I’ve ever come across. I would suggest redeployment as Headmaster to a minor public school in Surrey (should any be left solvent if/when this is all over).

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Maybe catch him on public transport, eg getting out of a taxi, without a mask?!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

A member of the Cabinet? Use public transport??? The very idea!
I think they should summon the rest of the layoffs back to Parliament and see how they like a several-hour journey by train, wearing a mask!
And while they’re at it, they should superglue one to Kahn’s face.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

If masks were compulsory in Parliament, how long would it be before the rule was scrapped? If they try to make it compulsory in shops and other places where people mingle, then surely it has to also be compulsory in Parliament?

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Especially with all the hot air being generated in there

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Parliament isn’t sitting.

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Yes of course, we know all about the brilliant scientists at Oxford University, from the meticulous attention paid by Hancock to Sunetra Gupta and her work!

chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Carl Heneghan too
 
https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/
 
Spot the ever increasing bumber of hospital trusts reporting no deaths. Surely this should be healine news. Oh wait . . .

matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

I’ve said it before – he loves this. Every minute of it. Little did he imagine, on that disappointing morning when he got the call and it was only health secretary, that he would – only a few months into the future – be virtually the most important man in the UK and able to strut around almost every day (except when those inconvenient irritants, Johnson, Raab and Sunak hogged the limelight) telling the British public what was good for them and being able to refer to _actual_ NHS workers as “colleagues”!

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

And threatening to take away people’s exercise time. Remember that one? Stuck up fascist pig.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I certainly do. It reminded me of nothing more than a primary school teacher threatening to keep the whole class in if the naughty boys don’t behave.

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Doing that on a national scale to civilians is classed, if my memory serves me, under the Geneva convention as a war crime.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

..while having shares in a pharmaceutical company..

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

He’s the frontman for an AI infiltration scheme – see his past jobs.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

That’s what worries me – is that why he got that particular ministerial post, given that we know the EU have been planning immunity passports since at least 2018? Even after Brexit people will still travel..

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

He actually hold them on behalf of the UK Government as Secretary of State for Health. When the person in the job changes so does the named shareholder.
 
The only thing I couldn’t find out while researching this last month is why our Government would part-privatise Porton Down laboratories (where they do germ warfare and cold/influenza research for the Government and military), hold 100% of the shares then take contracts to do anthrax vaccine research for the US Government?
 
Fishy, looks like a way to get round bans on certain research by Governments so that both the UK and US can say “not me boss, it’s a private company doing it”.

DJ Dod
DJ Dod
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Is that the same Oxford University that says there is no scientific basis for the 2m rule?

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Hmm, you know what – I think it just might be…

CarrieAH
5 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Ooo have they just become flavour of the month? Oxford Uni even had their own man at the pedestal today during the government update I understand.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

I very much hope so. Anything is better than bad old Imperial College.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

To Hancock: Then lift the lockdown you blqqdy cretin.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

This is all you need to know about Hancock
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrgCYK9xrRw

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

What a creep. He wouldn’t know what social distancing was if it punched him in the nose…

Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

He’s not going away any time soon!
 
https://twitter.com/russellhoward/status/1264179614051700736

Mike Smith
Mike Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Russell Howard has done something funny. Amazing!
And he’s not wrong, either.

Ilma
Ilma
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

And yet the reports from doctors (not medical bureaucrats) from around the world have said that HCQ+zinc has had a near universal success rate, so the 20% cited for dexamethasone seems rather lame.

djaustin
djaustin
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Develop the science? Because nobody knew that giving an anti-inflammatory steroid might mitigate and inflammatory cascade. It’s pleasing that the data show such a clear response on mortality, but I imagine it’s been de facto standard of care for the most sick patients already.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  djaustin

If I remember rightly (and it’s not guaranteed!) at the beginning of the panic, they were advising not to use steroids.

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

When we hang him.
 
(Seriously guys……. I don’t normally condone violence but I think I can make an exception for this weasel)

paulito
paulito
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

I’d make an exception for all of them. No problem either in proving their guilt. They confess to their crimes on a daily basis.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  paulito

Does treason only extend to overthrowing the government rather than the entire country?

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

In history, violence over the years has solved a lot of problems so don’t apologise.
 
Sometimes it’s necessary to fight, even Ghandi agreed. He was not the true pacifist that “mainstream history” makes him out to be. He believed that you did not start a fight but could use violence to defend yourself and others if you or they were attacked.

T.Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Don’t forget that its also because we’ve carried out our ‘civic duty’….

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago

Hague – good he has realised what’s coming.
 
But ‘listen to Blair’ ? Large scale testing ? Dear me, no, no, no.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Agreed, let’s not listen to Blair eh?’

Marion
Marion
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

On anything, anything at all. Odious, odious man.

paulito
paulito
5 years ago
Reply to  Marion

Odious and dangerous.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Testing will do no good. Test to find what exactly? That most people are asymptomatic and not contagious?

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

They are really just wanting to track people..any excuse..

Ilma
Ilma
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

And the test isn’t cv-19 specific anyway!

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

If ye look, ye shall find…..
 
So basically, they want to find more cases… justifying continuation of madness.
Or, they want to use testing to fuel covipass or some other track & trace dictator’s wet dream.
 
Either way, it’s not great. (My money is on BLiar wanting covipass or some similar scheme cause digital ID systems have been *his* wet dream since the 90s)

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago

When will people realise that Johnson hasn’t saved thousands of lives but has condemned thousands to death?

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Maybe 100s of thousands indeed – and that is ignoring the fact that if the UK had stuck with the Sweden approach many third world countries (where 10s of millions may die of starvation etc following their lockdowns) to avoid the lockdown trap!

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Insert :- ‘would have been encouraged to [avoid the lockdown trap].

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Yes, note that William Hague (see Toby’s post above) mentioned a few countries where the social distancing is less than 2m, but failed to include Sweden, likely deliberately!

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

In many of those thrid world countries the lockdown enforcement forces have killed many more than the virus has, or ever could. And that’s before the lockdown induced famine begins.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

It will come Kevin. I promise you. People may sometimes be a little slow about it, but they tend to get very angry when they realise they’ve been had. And the people of this country – among others – have been had in a big, big way. If the government had ended lockdown when they had achieved the purpose for which they claim they applied it – to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed – they would have got away with it. Too late now. This government is doomed.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Agree – we’ve been sold a pup. What worries me is that some people can be so sensitive that they’ve rather go along with the illusion than own up to being duped

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Very true Tom. But the longer they cling to a delusion, the louder the pop when it goes. In turn, the greater the anger.

matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Pop goes the pup?

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

Hello, RSPCA ?

Paul B
Paul B
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

“It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled” 

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Unfortunately, so are we.

Ilma
Ilma
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I think I even heard a BBC R4 presenter challenging a minister on the 2m social distancing and lockdown this morning.

T.Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Ilma

On BBC R4?! Sure you weren’t hallucinating?

A leaf
A leaf
5 years ago
Reply to  Ilma

Bbc and challenging ? Two words i can’t seem to put together…

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  Ilma

Asking why it isn’t 3m?!

Ilma
Ilma
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Even that “Save the NHS” was weird. It’s the NHS that should be saving us!!

paulito
paulito
5 years ago
Reply to  Ilma

What is the point of a health service that works by telling people not to seek medical attention.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  paulito

If you’re frail and elderly it’s currently the National Death Service.
For anyone needing routine stuff, it’s the Naitonal Covid Service.

Bella
Bella
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Not so sure about that. Just had a row with a mate on Facebook (wife of a university HoD where I was a Visiting Fellow) who is furious that I refuse to wear a mask. Even now, in mid June, when the damn thing is on the wane she is saying I’m neglecting my civic duty. These are not stupid people but believe the lie. I’ve given her three lots of material about how masks don’t work and she’s having none of it and considers me a selfish fascist for not protecting other people. And she’s had three months to do a bit if research to unearth the real story but believes the mainstream narrative. Another friend down.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Did she also believe we were going to run out of sandwiches if we Brexited?

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

All this just…. really, really reminds me of super gonorrhea scaremongering

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Really interesting how this crisis has revealed many people for who they really are. It’s like what Walter Bagehot has said, letting daylight into magic.

James
James
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Check out Yuri Bezmenov: The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion where he explains: 
The goal of these active measures campaigns, “is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that, despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.”
 

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Once we hear of more job losses (as I don’t see many shops that have reopened yesterday surviving beyond this month at the bare minimum) and as the furlough scheme is rolled by July and finally wound down by October then I won’t be surprised if there’s rioting in the streets. As I’ve said before if Johnson and co thinks that its only the Tarquins and Jemimas jumping on the BLM bandwagon they have to worry about, they should be even more afraid of the ordinary Joe Public. When he’s lost his job or business and home then realises that he has nothing left to lose by rioting then the government is doomed.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

That’s why they passed the ban on gatherings of more than 6 people, to prevent protests! Incidentally, Toby writes above, that there is a sunset clause in that bill, but Mason Mills on Twitter says not…and whoever he really is, he does seem to have insider info.. Simon Dolan needs to investigate that pronto!

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

If people become so angry I don’t think that’s even going to work and it will become violent. It could make the 2011 riots look like a picnic.

Nel
Nel
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Mason Mills is Dominic Cummings isn’t he?

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Nel

He claims he is not, and that he is not a member of the ‘team’, but I think he protests too much… He clearly has insider info, whoever he (she?) is. His posts today drove me mad!

matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Funnily enough, “I’m not Dominic Cummings” is exactly what Dominic Cummings would say, while operating under a Twitter pseudonym

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Many suspect Mason Mills is Dom Cummings.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

As do I, but he keeps claiming he is not…

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Incidentally, Mason also seems to be hinting that the 6 person limit to protests by law means now that the police will *have to* enforce it and cannot just take a knee and ignore BLM protests, or indeed selectively ignore any particular types of protest that they (or their bosses) secretly approve of. Also that Khan can be ‘put back in his box’ by this law… Interesting…

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

There’s a BLM event going on where I am today, stalls, music, picnic blankets. They are untouchable.
 
I don’t think the approval from senior police or their political masters is “secret” – quite open, actually.

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yes, I’m starting to think about the French Revolution. “Let them have furloughs” may work for a while … until it ends.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Exactly. The number of people being on some form of benefits or another as well as having been added to the unemployment register is extremely worrying.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I’m getting a good slagging off over in Guido after remarking that this government might not survive. The committed Conservative supporters must be frightened I might be right.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Just a matter of time Bart. Maybe not of rioting (though I’m not ruling it out), but certainly some serious questions being asked up and down the country. It’s the public enquiry (I favour a full Royal Commission with plenary powers of interrogation, but we’re unlikely to get that) the government will fear. All will be laid bare then.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Hopefully but I suspect the government will try to weasel out of a royal commission to cover their backs. I still think there will be rioting, if the government won’t listen or are still asleep despite all the evidence and figures, Joe Public taking matters into their own hands should wake them up.

matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I don’t think we should be too gleeful about this. We are, after all, talking about the breakdown of civil society.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

I am not gleeful and actually I am worried about the breakdown of civil society but what will it take for a tone deaf government to wake up listen? If they don’t want the economy to collapse and the civil society breakdown that could go with it then they should know what to do…..

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

And if they do want civil breakdown and the collapse of the economy?

Bella
Bella
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

They want it to collapse. Then we have martial llaw.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Exactly! As UK Column keep telling us, we’re no longer a democracy, we have a government of occupation.
They’re just waiting for (and systematically engineering) and excuse to fully show their hand.

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

Quite honestly we don’t have civil society at present, we have totalitarianism, the question is not how to avoid the collapse of civil society, but how to get civil society restored, and in a way which doesn’t have to involve any of the bloody inconvenient violence. Needs to start with quick restoration of the economy, returning everything to the proper old normal, and revoking all the laws passed since March.

T. Prince
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

The MSM will turn, wait for the headlines… “Johnson hasn’t saved thousands of lives but has condemned thousands to death”

Ilma
Ilma
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Yep, the message to ‘isolate’ also meant that thousands of people alone needing cancer treatment stopped going to hospital. How many that could have been successfully treated will now die??

arfurmo
arfurmo
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

So you have work out when you are going to fall off a ladder. Beyond belief.

matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Almost as important as (maybe more so than) making the public realise that they’ve been duped on the corona narrative, how do we make the public realise that the NHS is basically enjoying an extended, over-funded holiday?

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

And the educational freeloaders.

matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Nobody is worshipping the educational freeloaders. Close run thing, I’ll admit and I’ll also concede that they’re utterly despicable, but they are not currently enjoying an all expenses paid holiday with adulation and burnt offerings thrown in as a perk (only the all expenses paid holiday bit)

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

Touche.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

..plus free parking, and their shopping done by people who volunteered to support the community during the ‘pandemic’…

Mike Smith
Mike Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

It feels to me like they’re working to rule.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

The answer my son is, instead of taking yourself off to AnE, you phone for an ambulance instead. More expensive to the government that way, but it does get you seen.
 
If this is true, I want my tax money and NI contributions back. I’ll just take my chances thanks.

BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

The weblink just takes me to the Beeb’s daily update. What was the news item?

matt
matt
5 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

Apparently, you now have to make an appointment to go to A&E. but it’s fine – that broken leg will still be broken in September.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

Took me to this story –
 
… the head of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine told MPs that requiring patients to have an appointment before attending hospital casualty departments may be necessary in the UK …

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Just keep your finger on the artery and phone with the other hand,

A leaf
A leaf
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

The asswipes are still wring bout this corona pet bullshit….cats should stay home, no petting ather animals..ffffff off already..yes cats get their own corona cat corana(there really is something like that) covid from pet to human has never happened ever and only 3-4 cases around the world which at best are not scientifically proven..so why o why they are putting out idiotic stuff like that..my neighbour who loved my cat and sometimes let the cat stayat home at night never touches it anymoreyet taking her home..thae cat numerous times went there miawed but was declined a sad sight to see..i hate msm for turning people into maniacs..i will never ever forgive them my msm adventure is definately over for good

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  A leaf

One day they’ll discover that slugs can carry the virus and must be individually tracked.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Hahaha!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Good grief!!!!!!!

Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
5 years ago

The blessed Jacinta received bad news today with the return of covid19 to the gentle shores of New Zealand courtesy of the arrival of two poms who had been fast tracked through quarantine to visit a dying relative. She acted quickly and closed down compassionate swift quarantine in exceptional circumstances.
 
She actually is in as much of a pickle as Boris . She has gaslighted the people of New Zealand into believing that they will perish if covid19 returns by saying look what happened to the UK where thousands of people have died . She puts nothing in context and fails to mention that nearly half were residents of care homes.
 
Now she will either have to maintain her borders closed for years and the resulting mass unemployment or she will have to back down and let nature take its course. Tricky decision.

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

Ah yes, New Zealand, the mini-me version of sanctimonious Canada. You would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh. Not of course that FatBoJo’s UK has much to boast about, of course!

Andrew
Andrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

You never here that Australia has less cases per million than New Zealand.
 
Australia
Population = 25,486,843
Deaths = 102
 
New Zealand
Population = 5,002,100
Deaths = 22
 
 
 
 
 

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Wow! What an interesting stat Andrew…no I didn’t know that because our media chooses not to tell us…it’s the same with Europe, it is hardly ever mentioned that Belgium is top of the DPM death league in Europe and the whole world.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Very close though, only about 10% higher
 
Australia 1 death per 249871 people
 
NZ 1 death per 227368 people
 
So is NZ being in permanent isolation worth it?

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

As Kiwi author Jeremy Harris points out on hectordrummond.com New Zealand has failed to acquire herd immunity. Politicians, as well as people frightened of their own shadows and cowering in their homes need to learn, or relearn, nature will always take her course. You can delay her, perhaps even frustrate her for a short while, but she is unstoppable.
 
Nature always wins.

4096
4096
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

Yes, the though being able to see St Jacinda, the patron saint of covid zealotry, being forced to gobble up a massive load of a certain type of pie is one of the things that keep me going.
It will happen sooner or later.

4096
4096
5 years ago
Reply to  4096

*the thought of being able
 
it’s just too exciting for me to be able to type correctly

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

I have been filling out a survey for the British Library and have said no to the following:   Pre-booking desk space in the Reading Rooms Restricting access to the building to those with a valid booking and a Reader Pass Staggered entry times to reduce queueing A one-way system around the building Changes to Reading Room layout to allow space between Readers Pre-ordering collection items to view Quarantine of collection items after use Protective screens at key service points Providing digital first services wherever possible   Availability of hand sanitiser Enhanced venue-cleaning procedures You are required to wear a face mask You are required to wear gloves Staff are required to wear face masks Staff are required to wear gloves On-site health monitoring (e.g. taking temperature)   And when I was asked about any other thoughts about returning to the Library, I wrote this:   I will strongly consider boycotting the library if you install all of the measures above in place. I have always appreciated how the British Library staff have treated me with kindness and courtesy and will not allow your institution to treat me as if I was a leper. I also believe that having readers… Read more »

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I had an email from the British Library this afternoon, ‘Preparing to reopen’. I guess this is the survey you’ve replied to. If so, I’ll be replying pretty well as you have.
 
Meanwhile, I’m making he most of the free document downloads from the PRO while they are still closed. One of the very few benefits of this insanity …

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

That’s the one yes.
 
The gloves bit made me laugh because new conservation practice has established that the fibres from gloves actually harm old books and manuscripts more than if you were bare handed.

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Didn’t they have a few problems with laptop thefts a little while back? Widespread muzzle use will do that the world of good.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

I actually should have mentioned that as well – muzzles will lead to a whole load of security issues like theft.
 
They did and of course a few years ago, some valuable manuscripts were stolen as well if I remember correctly.

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I’ve just done the survey, and finished with the comment:
 
Please get back to the ‘old normal’ as soon as possible – tomorrow if possible. The virus has just about gone. There’s no need whatsoever for the sort of measures outlined above, any more than in an ordinary flu season. 
If you mandate face-muzzles I will not be visiting. The British Library is supposed to be a beacon of enlightened thinking, and thus of liberty itself. Muzzles are the antithesis of this – the parallels with Orwell’s boot stamping on the human face forever are chilling. They are also extremely unhealthy and greatly enhance the wearers’ chances of catching a respiratory infection. 
Of course, if some readers or staff think themselves vulnerable then they should be allowed to wear coverings, full hazard suits, or whatever. But such measures shouldn’t be mandated. 
And the use of hand sanitiser certainly should not be mandated: some people have skin allergies, and they should not be, in effect, precluded from visiting the reading rooms.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Well said. Hope they take note of our feedback.

Paul
Paul
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Oh god,it just gets worse and worse,another part of the pushing everyone to use the internet for research and information plan,every organisation is doing it’s level best to make life as unpleasant as possible for their users,also this bloody obsession with one way systems for human beings !.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Unfortunately the Internet doesn’t have everything. I’ve been unhappy about my recent research work which IMO has been subpar because I’ve been unable to access physical books.

ianp
ianp
5 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Well actually I would definitely recommend you use the web. Stay off most MSM content is a good start… start asking Questions given what you know has been bullshit so far regarding covid and the BLM organisation

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I had a telephone follow-up with my maxillo-facial consultant yesterday morning. It ought to be hilarious because it was about a big op inside my mouth last year. Pointless exercise.
 
To add insult to injury, I received a text this afternoon from my local NCS (National Covid Serice) trust, asking how I rated my outpatient’s appointment. Outpatients, WTF??
 
Wouldn’t surprise me if they are claiming that outpatient services have been resumed. Don’t you believe it!

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I wonder how they can keep a straight face over that….

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Deserves more up-ticks …

Allen
Allen
5 years ago

Same radical reduction in deaths is France.
 
If you go to the Euromo site you that that France had a record low in death rates with a z score of -3.36 for Week 22. However that record was smashed in Week 23 with a z score of -8.85.
 
What we are seeing in many places (NYC, UK, Belgium, Spain. Italy, France) is a bulk rate of death with that sharp spike and a severe drop off in death rates due to the “low hanging fruit” being plucked by Death. It is important to stress that those who comprise those premature deaths are primarily nursing home/care center deaths.
 
And even more important to understand and stress is that those large, concentrated numbers were decidedly not caused by any virus- rather it was criminal negligence and administrative euthanasia- those are crimes.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

They are. We knew, we blqqdy *knew* that the elderly with co-morbidities were the most vulnerable in our society. And yet we locked down and quarantined the healthy and dumped the hospitalised elderly into care homes. We’re not alone in that, other countries did the same.
 
This people, is what happens when you let panic take over your show. It turns into a sh1tfest, because panic is the enemy of logic, of order, and of critical thinking.

Andrew
Andrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

after a flu outbreak the next few months are always below average

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

Making that mistake with shipping hospital patients to care homes, just like the UK did, is close to the only reason Sweden has had measurable covid deaths at all.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

A crime requires a criminal…who was or were the criminals her? I think you’re being hysterical. The same thing happens every year in a bad flu epidemic – the grim reaper’s hand passes through care homes with great alacrity.
 
Yes, maybe there’s a lesson here about how we need to start redesigning care homes to ensure there is less cross infection but trying to stop people with dementia from infecting each other is difficult to say the least and depriving them of family contact is probably a leading cause of death in itself…is that criminal as well?
 
 

Allen
Allen
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

There is nothing hysterical in the least- it’s factual and documented.
 
Are you opposed to investigations on this matter?
 
There were direct orders that caused these premature deaths both from politicians and health officials. Start there- this isn’t too murky or difficult to uncover.
 
In the US we could start with these criminals: Andrew Cuomo J.D., Howard A. Zucker, M.D., J.D., and Sally Dreslin M.S, R.N.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Allen

“It” is factual you say. What is the “it”? That a lot of people have died in care homes? As I said before that has happened at regular intervals during bad flu years. Were you calling for criminal prosecutions – or I should say are you calling (since the UK has no statutory limitation in cases of homicide) for such prosecutions – in relation to bad flu years over the last 50 years? If not, why not?

Will Jones
5 years ago

I wrote my first sceptical piece on March 17, the day I realised the government weren’t going to let me just ignore all their stupid rules and carry on as normal. https://faith-and-politics.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-is-the-cure-worse-than-the-disease/

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

When people started jumping up and down demanding a lockdown and that schools should shut, I pointed out such measures were unnecessary. I was pretty much howled down. When the lockdown came and I said (on Guido among other places) that this would end in tears, I was howled down.
 
I’m far from alone now. Not just here, but on Guido’s site too. Where in March I received a couple of upticks and lots of downticks for a critical comment, now it is the other way round.

Mimi
Mimi
5 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

Yep. Back in March I actually thought there would be rational discussion. On my work discussion board I said surely there were better ways of addressing a possible shortfall in hospital capacity than taking everything from everyone. Which seemed obvious? Also, that COVID couldn’t possibly be as deadly as everyone was saying based on the tiny numbers of deaths in two isolated places (Wuhan and Lombardy). More fool me.
 
But it’s just that I want people to die.
 
Anyway, I remain astonished that we’re in this situation, and that people haven’t worked as hard as possible to make lockdowns etc. as SHORT as possible. And now that so very much known, that they’re not constantly revising measures to more accurately reflect the deadliness (not) of the dread disease.

sok
sok
5 years ago
Reply to  Mimi

I suspect a totally different tune will be playing when the ‘free money’ runs out)

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

Wow, this is great and great to see it from another Christian author too. I’m not an Anglican but I’ve really struggled with the response of the church as a whole in this country, including my independent fellowship, no one seems to be standing up against the lies and the enormous damage it is causing nationally and how their members have been so misled. I’m not as astute as you with respect to when and why I knew it was wrong, I just had a gut feeling all along that something was amiss and started questioning and looking into it about a week after it all started. I’d have gone mad without this website.

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

The churches have been totally supine. I thought they were supposed to obey God rather than men. The hypocrisy becomes more apparent by the day. Antisocial distancing and Christianity? I don’t think so!

Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Jesus healed lepers.He got close.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

I am an Anglican, and there are no words to express my horror and disgust at the way the Church has behaved. Jesus Christ did not tell his followers to keep safe, turn their backs on the people, and hide in the scullery.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well Christ led by example.
 
Unfortunately, fat Boris did so by shaking hands in hospitals and it backfired on him. That was very unfortunate for all of us.
 
Pity more wasn’t made of Wankock running up the steps in Westminster after a few days off with the killer virus!

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

Good article Will, the implications of which our great and good are only just beginning to catch up with. Congratulations on such an early call. 
 
My first piece lockdown scepticism appeared as late as 26 March, as a comment on Ron Liddle’s Spectator article ‘How reliable are the coronavirus figures?’. I broke my own rule of never posting anything online and for the first time in more than a decade put up a thread comment: 
 
‘Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.’
Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions, 1841.
 
It was clear to me that, whatever the seriousness of the disease itself, as a society we had already descended into a hysteria worthy of a section in Mackay’s famous book. 
 
The following day I was stopped while driving at a police roadblock down here in Devon. I refused to tell them where I was going or why, and after a few minutes they had to let me go.
 
And so a lockdown sceptic was born …

nowhereman
nowhereman
5 years ago

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/06/16/explosive-more-uk-covid-experts-facing-serious-data-manipulation-charges/

The Government’s leading body for Covid19 drug trials – led by the controversial character Professor Peter Horby – stands accused of grossly misleading negative trial results for the coronavirus management drug Hydroxychloroqhine. Will this at last be a wake-up call for Boris Johnson?

IanE
IanE
5 years ago
Reply to  nowhereman

I hear him now, “Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  nowhereman

He’s in a coma so it’ll take a while for him to wake up.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  nowhereman

Are epidemiologists usually in charge of clinical trials?

Stephen McMurray
Stephen McMurray
5 years ago

I don’t believe the regular suggestions that most people favour lockdown. The latest ONS figures say 40% feel safe or very safe going out whilst only about 25%say they feel unsafe. If you feel safe or very safe going out I would imagine you don’t support the lockdown.

Nick Rose
5 years ago

They favour a prolonged holiday, pretty much on full pay, enjoying themselves at home. Trouble is, reality always comes to call. Sooner or later, you have to wake up.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

And there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Sooner or later we all have to pay one way or the other.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

Unless you feel safe because of the antisocial-distancing measures, masks etc. I suspect the questions were rigged that way!

Nick Rose
5 years ago

I’m very proud of being Welsh. I’m Welsh born, rather than born Welsh, I know some here understand this important distinction.
 
However, I am far from proud of the Assembly (now calling itself a government, lol). The non-entity running this corner of the UK is hellbent on destroying it. He’s terrified of lifting lockdown, not because of the mythical “R” number, but because of the economic devastation that will be revealed under his stewardship. And it is under his stewardship, as he said himself that the way forward in Wales concerning the lockdown was down to him. He’s taken ownership.
 
Even in Wales, I don’t fancy Labour’s chances in next year’s elections. Especially if opposition parties get their act together. Because it’s not first-past-the-post in Wales, it’s pretty much PR.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Poisonous representation!

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

IF it can kick out an authoritarian it doesn’t sound a bad voting method to me.

mjr
mjr
5 years ago

Latest from BBC fearmongering productions. On first page of website since this afternoon
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53047819
flushing toilet might spread covid virus in faeces so put the lid down.
Really the only thing full of sh!t is the BBC.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

They’ll have us crapping outside next. Pathetic.

Mimi
Mimi
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

They DO have us crapping outside. Have you seen an open public toilet recently?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Closed public loos have already sorted that one.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

DT reported last week that sewage farms would be searched for signs of the bug.
Nice employment opportunities for some of our young people, eh?

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Perhaps everyone who denounced a neighbour for lockdown violations should, for their dedication to “the cause”, be given such sewage checking jobs (and be banned from doing any other job or claiming any unemployment benefit should they quit) so they can keep experiencing the load of sh*t they’ve been so happy to unleash on the world.

paulito
paulito
5 years ago
Reply to  Patrick5

Maybe they should all be rounded up and made to live in “safe” reservations for the rest of their lives while the sane get on with our lives.

paulito
paulito
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

In Spain they took samples of sea water to test for the corona flu.

Melangell
Melangell
5 years ago
Reply to  paulito

Some local lads who were dobbed in by nearby curtain-twitching residents for surfing off the West Wales coast were told that due to their selfish actions the sea would have to be tested for coronavirus!

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

Well, if it got a bit of a temperature I wouldn’t complain.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

Flushing creates an aerosol. So this is basic antibacterial common sense, nothing new and nothing to do with the covid virus.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Having said that, people haven’t bothered about toilet lids for decades – they keep their toothbrushes near the loo too. No sweat!

mjr
mjr
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

yes , i know that… my point was that BBC were linking this to covid and asserting that the virus could be in faeces so just adding to and perpetuating the scare stories

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

I understood that, MJR.
My intention was to back up your point by showing that the BBC were fearmongering by pretending this is something new. Failed miserably, sorry.
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren’t they?

ianp
ianp
5 years ago
Reply to  mjr

Lol… this is so laughable that it must be psy-op deliberate. They are practically begging readers to wake up and do their own research away from the the BBC and other MSM.
 
Seriously, you got to do it… most illuminating…

Stephen McMurray
Stephen McMurray
5 years ago

I work in Belfast City Centre and all shops were permitted to open from yesterday. The people were about one third the normal amount yesterday and today but the main shopping centre had more people yesterday but was virtually empty today. This suggests that people went in just because it was newly opened but that novelty has already worn off after 24 hours.   It’s not just social distancing that is going to kill off town centres, it is the amount of people working from home. Belfast has a lot of office workers and a very high percentage of civil servants, at least 50% of which are now having to work from home whether they want to or not. That’s a large drop in potential customers going into shops already. Combine that with the people who have been terrified to death by the propaganda and the enormous amount of people who will soon be unemployed and there isn’t a hope in hell of survival for many town and city centres.   I fear that even if they scrapped the 2 metre rule tomorrow many shops would still implement it voluntarily because they or their workers still live in fear. I… Read more »

Simon Dutton
Simon Dutton
5 years ago

New figures for “footfall” in UK shops have been published. Things are dire; it seems the much-anticipated death of the high street (not to mention shopping centres) is finally upon us. 50+% year on year decline for both. Retail parks have done slightly better, down 23.6%.
 
Shoppers have got the online habit and it might be permanent. Who can blame them?
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8425717/High-Streets-England-saw-50-rise-shoppers-yesterday.html

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

Well, you can see how shoppers are treated now. Hardly surprising is it?

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

This doesn’t surprise me. Treat people as lepers this is what they get.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Dutton

My local shopping centre in London was very quiet today. Waitrose and Waterstones both quieter than I expected.WH Smith not open (but they looked like they were on their last legs before the pandemic). Primark was popular.

Ilma
Ilma
5 years ago

William Hague says we “must test on a large scale”, but does he understand that the covid-19 antigen test doesn’t actually test specifically for cv-19, by for *ANY* rna based virus. The test simply amplifies any rna that’s present regardless of whether it’s cv-19 or a.n.other.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ilma

He’s not very bright so the answer is probably no.

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago

Unless we stop acquiescing to the government, nothing will change.
We must all ignore the rules or we won’t get our freedom back. The government may reduce the antisocial distancing to 1m but they won’t give up full control, because this Covid farce has given them the opportunity they want to dictate to us.
Don’t run your life based on what other people think of you. Stand against the BS and the cards will come crashing down!

Nick Rose
5 years ago

It’s still a little bit early for this. Keep resistance to a low level for now, especially while we are in our ones and twos. No matter how right, we’re still easy pickings. Organisation will come, is coming. The protest must be calm, but with large numbers. A campaign of civil disobedience towards all the corona regulations, but in numbers. Such as twelve refusing to wear masks on a train as an example. A mass walk on the hills of Snowdonia or the Brecon Beacons, where such activity is still banned. Things like that. Still too early, but the time is close.

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Oh well, I’ve already started lol. Actually I started at the beginning.

Stephen McMurray
Stephen McMurray
5 years ago

if social distancing does go to 1m it will be so close to where people would normally stand near someone without invading their space the social distancing may fade away naturally – as long as all the shops are not afraid to introduce it.

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago

It may..or may not

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago

Good stuff Jonathan. You’re sounding just like Icke. 🙂 🙂

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I’ve just seen a video of his, lol. I think he’s wrong on his Covid “hoax” theory and I don’t agree with new age stuff, but there was a lot of sense in the rest of it.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

He does talk a lot of sense – if you can get past the lizards.

ianp
ianp
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I think the way to look at it is like troubleshooting any problem where you don’t know what the answer is, eliminating what you know and feel is untrue despite what you are being fed by others, one by one…

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago

I don’t agree with this guy’s new-agey stuff or his extreme Coronavirus “hoax” view, but I found this very interesting (best to start @ around 1 hr 23min):
https://freedomplatform.londonreal.tv/rose-icke-iv-we-will-not-be-silenced/

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Someone recommended this on the Carl Vernon channel. Its an American website but it has most if not all known information about the dangers of mask wearing:
 
https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/masks-dont-work
 
She also has a YouTube channel:
 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwC7VpIHS2uJzJ0q5I11oQA

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Perhaps better not to demonise mask wearing too much, if it gives the coronanists some confidence enough to start opposing the more severe threats to freedom then it can be ok. If wearing a mask is enough to get them demanding shops accept cash and don’t try contactless fascism, get them demanding workplaces reopen as normal without extra bureaucracy, have them refusing to queue outside shops (especialy as the weather turns, which it surely will as lockdown is lifted), have them refusing spying apps… Then an uncomfortable and largely useless strip of cloth over the face isn’t so bad.

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Patrick5

It is if the muzzled demonise those who don’t wear them.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

They do. The grey mush in their heads oroduces the following: l1. I. I

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Sorry, hit wrong button.

  1. I do not have the bug.
  2. Everybody else has the bug.
  3. Therefore I must wear a mask to protect myself.
  4. Therefore everybody else must wear a mask to protect me.
  5. Therefore anybody who does not wear a mask is a criminal and must be punished.
sok
sok
5 years ago
Reply to  Patrick5

Damp rag which is a breeding ground for germs. Restricts intake of oxygen, inhale your own exhaled co2, restricts communication verbal and nuanced visual cues. sign of conformity. Godsend for those that have ocd. All round crap idea in a western ‘democracy’- Just sayin…)

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Patrick5

If you want to wear a mask because it makes you feel safer, you should be free to do so.
 
If I don’t want to wear a mask because I know it’s unnecessary, then I should also be free not to.

Nobody2021
5 years ago

Scotland in it for the long haul lol
 
 

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Every time she is interviewed on TV, she says all manner of things that one might politely characterise as ‘alternative facts’, yet she always get as free pass from the interviewer.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

She’s a supersnake and I doubt you’ll have to look far to find who’s sponsoring her.

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago

When she spouts alternative facts it is the duty of every Scot to obey alternative government, whether they wish to choose England, or better yet Sweden, is up to them.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Is the “under 20 cases” for the WHOLE of Scotland? How flat does the bloody sombrero have to be?

Tenchy
Tenchy
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Today in Scotland (population 5.5 million), 15 new cases. So flatter than Flat Fred’s Flat Feet, it would seem. Maybe she’s talking about active cases, but regardless, the virus, in effect, is no longer present in Scotland.

EmbraFlaneur
EmbraFlaneur
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I could well be wrong but I think it’s supposed to be 20 new confirmed cases per day (which is what we’re hovering around at present – there were 146 positive tests in the last 7 days yesterday up from 127 in the 7 days up to Saturday).

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  EmbraFlaneur

20 per day in a population of 5.5million is, I think, odds of 275,000:1

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

Coronavirus Contact-Tracing Apps Launch Across Europe – The Wall Street Journal.
 
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-contact-tracing-apps-launch-across-europe-amid-hopes-for-broad-adoption-11592319612
 

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Unfortunately behind a paywall..

AngloWelshDragon
5 years ago

Welsh tourism is in huge trouble. We spend 2-4 weeks in the Snowdonia/Lleyn area every year but the paranoia which has seeped down from the Welsh Assembly has made us think again. Even with Welsh friends and family, having English accents and an English number plate, becoming the target of hostility from officialdom or locals is not an appealing prospect. I’m sorry to tell the Welsh (and residents of other tourist destinations), the “go home” signs will not be quickly forgotten. Assuming we can get a holiday at all this year, it will likely be either here in beautiful Derbyshire, or perhaps Yorkshire or East Anglia. The danger for the Welsh tourism industry is we may not go back as much in future, or at all.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

I’ve read reports about the same in Cornwall too – well I ain’t going there even if they paid me a million pounds. It’s funny that they don’t seem to realise that they’re committing economic hara kiri.

matt
matt
5 years ago

Sorry to say that I’ve been put off Derbyshire, Cumbria, Cornwall and Wales fo life, I think.

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
Reply to  matt

Actually, in our defence, Derbyshire has been OK since the first week of lock-up when the cops sent up their drone and made that dire ‘anti-social distancing’ video of people minding their own business on Curbar Edge. We think the public reaction along with Sumption’s bollocking.spooked them enough to back-off for the duration.
 
If they opened the pubs, cafes and toilets it would be almost normal here (!) Actually a drone flew over us up on top of Kinder on Sunday. The OH and I both vigorously gave it 2 fingers and then we realised it was being flown by 2 lads from Manchester on top of the Woolpack rocks, nearby. Oh, we laughed1

matt
matt
5 years ago

I’ll give you that, and that the message from the peaks has been less insistent than elsewhere. Wish I could think of a single reason why – in law or in principle – going for a lonely walk in the Peak District might ever have been a problem. But since you’ve pointed it out, I’ll forgive Derbyshire. But not Cumbria, Wales or Cornwall.

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
Reply to  matt

Thanks and you’re welcome anytime! 🙂

Annie
Annie
5 years ago

I know, it’s horrible, but it isn’t all of us. It’s because Stalin Drakeford’s ear (without any attachment to a brain) is being bent by anglophobes who have always resented English people having second homes in Wales, etc., etc., and who see this as the ideal opportunity to get rid of them. (Who sold them the second homes, for a fat profit? Don’t ask that question.) These extremists don’t give a toss for the wellbeing of anybody in Wales, so long as they can vent their hate.
You can’t possibly loathe them half as much as all decent Welsh people do. But our protests are ignored, our counter-postings are immediately deleted from Welsh sites, and the yammerers have it all their own way.

Ianric
Ianric
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

As someone from Wales I am concerned that the impression is given that Wales is somewhere hostile to outsiders as the Welsh economy is heavily dependent on visitors. I don’t work in tourism but I would hate to see our economy ruined.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

Of no interest to Labour, Plaid or the Lib Dems. They just want to signal their virtue and hope to help trip up Boris.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

Then please, please resist, pester your MP. and AS ( member of the Welsh Assembly), and help to show that not all the Welsh are anglophobic morons.

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago

Apparently people in the Dales have been hostile to visitors- BUT the guy from Welcome To Yorkshire has been doing his best to plug Yorkshire tourism and encourage visitors to beauty spots from both within and without the county.
 
People need a pick a side. Do they want to have a tourism industry left in their area, ro do they want perpetual ‘safety’ and unemployment?

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
5 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Did the boss of Visit Yorkshire leave post within the last couple of weeks?. Maybe he could see the sh1t at end of all this

Kath Andrews
Kath Andrews
5 years ago

I’m Welsh and angry, what the hell are they dong to Wale? I despair

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Kath Andrews

DON’T. Act instead. See my reply to Ianric sbove.

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

What Will Business School Look Like in the Fall? – The Wall Street Journal
 
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-will-business-school-look-like-in-the-fall-11591881710
 

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

What business school? 🙂

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago

What Business? What School?
Sweden of course shows you can have both, and have civil liberties, and lose less lives per million to a pandemic than countries where zealots took charge.

Patrick5
Patrick5
5 years ago

I fear that Hague isn’t quite as much on our side as we’d like. While he does, admirably, oppose the lockdown he has made noises in that article supporting what Tony Blair has been recently saying. The same Tony blair who has made numerous disturbing comments about how we should be willing to give up hard won freedom and privacy in the name of delusional attempts at safety. I’m glad to see the anti-lockdown cause spreading wider, but we need to ensure we get a free world afterwards, not a world enslaved by surveillance which is supposedly preventing the next pandemic but really preventing any kind of change to the authoritarian thugs at the top (be they right or left wing at that time).

Farinances
Farinances
5 years ago
Reply to  Patrick5

Exactly – this.
 
i was just going to post something similar. What he’s actually saying is “Lockdown is bad, but we need all the Orwellian bullshit to set us free!”
 
Boo. Hiss.