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The Telegraph warns that people using the NHS’s new coronavirus-tracing app may not be able to travel to other countries. Failing to use the system developed by Apple and Google, which is being used by Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Estonia, among other countries, could mean Britons have to remain in quarantine for 14 days on arrival in another country. The paper posts out that this could result in the Covid equivalent of a hard border between Northern Ireland the Republic of Ireland because the latter is using the Apple-Google app. The system developed by Apple and Google relies on a decentralised system with users’ phones independently notifying them if they’ve been in contact with others who’ve tested positive, whereas the NHS app transmits users’ information to a centralised, Government-owned database that other countries won’t have access to – at least, not without signing an agreement with the UK authorities that enables them to get around EU-wide GDPR rules. But the Telegraph doesn’t explain why anyone wanting to travel abroad couldn’t simply download the Apple-Google app.

Kieren McCarthy has written a scathing article in the Register today saying the NHS app won’t work on iPhones unless the phones are awake and the app is open. He also flags up that the app may be a “battery hog”, which means people aren’t likely to keep it open. A similar home-grown app in Australia has run up against exactly those problems, as you can see in this YouTube video. McCarthy thinks it’s only a matter of time before the Government is forced to do an embarrassing u-turn.

The Times reports that Conservative MPs accused trade unions of “political sabotage” yesterday after they rejected the Government’s yet-to-be-announced plans for getting people back to work. Frances O’Grady, leader of the TUC, said there were “huge gaps” over protective equipment and testing. She called for “robust direction and enforcement” so employers can “do the right thing”. Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader and shadow business secretary, supported the unions. Current leader Keir Starmer, writing in the Times, was more muted, calling for a “national consensus” about when and how to end the lockdown. Disappointingly, he criticises the Government for being “too slow to enter lockdown” and says he would support another extension on Thursday. Meanwhile, Nicola Sturgeon says Scotland should be prepared for a further three weeks of virtual house arrest. She’s expected to unveil an exit plan on Thursday. The total number of deaths in Scotland, as of yesterday, was 1,576.

The ONS released its latest weekly data on registered deaths in England and Wales at 9.30am this morning, as it does every Tuesday. For the week ending April 24th (Week 17), 21,997 deaths “involving COVID-19” were registered, a decrease of 354 compared to the previous week. That’s the first decrease in the number of deaths since the week ending March 20th (Week 12) and 11,539 more than the five-year average for Week 17. Of the 21,997 deaths in Week 17, 8,237 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, which is 37.4% of all deaths. That’s a decrease of 521 deaths compared with Week 16, when Covid deaths were 39.2% of the total.

The total number of deaths “involving COVID-19” in England and Wales for the year to date up (December 28th 2019 to April 24th 2020) is 27,365 – and it climbs to 28,272 if you add those deaths that occurred on or before April 24th but were registered between then and May 2nd. According to Reuters, the year-to-date total climbs above 32,000 if you add deaths in Scotland and Northern Ireland up to May 2nd, meaning the UK now has the highest Covid death toll in Europe – and no doubt that figure will dominate tomorrow’s front pages. But we should caveat this by noting that the ONS’s definition of deaths “involving COVID-19” is broader than the definition of deaths from COVID-19 that’s used by the Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) and released by the Government each day. The DHSC data for England and Wales now includes deaths in the community, nut just in hospitals, but the DHSC only includes those deaths where the person in question tested positive for the virus.

A freelance journalist called Ronan Maher has written a fascinating thread on Twitter about changes to the rules for recording deaths and certifying cremations that were made by the Coronavirus Act at the end of March. It’s a detailed analysis, but the gist of it is that the safeguarding rules put in place after the prosecution of Dr Harold Shipman, Britain’s most prolific serial killer who covered up his tracks by signing the death certificates of his victims, have now been suspended. Maher concludes: “These changes create the potential opportunity for medical malpractice; indeed, people might attempt to get away with things that they would not have otherwise. Remember, the safeguards were not there for nothing.”

The ONS says that 33,593 more people than average died of all causes in the year to April 24th in England and Wales, only 27,365 of which involved COVID-19. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the true figure for Covid deaths is higher. That’s not only because the 27,365 figure is likely to include people who didn’t actually die of COVID-19, even though it’s mentioned on the death certificate. It’s also because the all-cause mortality excess death figure includes people who died as a result of measures put in place by the Government, such as those who’ve died because they haven’t been admitted to hospital with other diseases. As I flagged up a few days ago, Hector Drummond has a good piece in the Critic in which he analyses the ONS’s excess death data and concludes that not all of the non-Covid excess deaths that have occurred this year can be due to COVID-19 because if they were you’d expect the ratio of men to women among those deaths to be 60:40 when in fact it’s 50:50.

Tom Chivers looks at excess deaths, among other things, to try and work out if the lockdown is killing more people than it’s saving in a Radio 4 documentary that was broadcast today at 11.30am. He summarises the contents of the programme in UnHerd, concluding that it’s impossible to answer the question he’s posed with any degree of certainty but precisely because of that “the lockdown is probably worth it”. That’s an argument I’ve heard a lot, but I’m not persuaded. After all, the uncertainty applies to both sides of the ledger – the number of people that would have died of COVID-19 if we hadn’t gone into lockdown but had stuck with mitigation, and the number of non-Covid deaths there have been as a result of the lockdown, as well as those in the future. In a paper for the Macro Strategy Partnership, a company that does research on global markets, one of the partners has crunched the numbers and concluded that “the costs of lockdown, in terms of human lives, may be not one but two orders of magnitude higher than the ‘cost’ of the disease”. And a couple of Fellows of the Actuarial Society of South Africa have done a similar calculation and concluded that the lockdown will lead to 29 times more lives lost than the deaths it seeks to prevent. So why does Chivers think the number of lives the UK lockdown has saved is probably greater than the number it has killed and will kill? To be fair to him, perhaps he explains that in the documentary which I haven’t listened to yet.

As I noted yesterday, the ONS is collaborating with various government departments, including the Actuary’s Department, to try and calculate the number of deaths indirectly caused by the virus, which will include those who’ve died as a result of the lockdown. I discuss some of these issue in my forthcoming Spectator column.

I’ve written an op ed for today’s Sun arguing that the Government should reopen primary schools ASAP. The arguments will be very familiar to readers of this site, but here’s an extract:

Some will worry that if we send our children back to school too soon, they will risk catching coronavirus. In fact, it poses almost no threat to children. As of April 30, only seven people under 20 had died of Covid-19 in hospitals in England and three of them had underlying health conditions. Only one child under the age of ten has succumbed to the virus.

Nor is there a risk that they will infect others, such as their teachers, parents and grandparents. Research published last week by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health found that children under the age of ten do not transmit the virus. And that isn’t just true of the UK. A joint commission by China and the World Health Organisation hasn’t found a single case of a child under ten infecting an adult anywhere in the world.

The Government has published a cache of documents produced by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), although they’ve been heavily redacted. I haven’t had time to go through them all yet, and I’d be grateful if any readers want to do that and alert me to anything of interest. But just a cursory glance reveals some interesting things. In a paper dated March 17th-18th, SAGE discussed whether to lockdown London, something that was considered and rejected by the Government. Perhaps not surprising Boris rejected this option, given that the paper says the social distancing measures announced on March 16th appear to have been effective. It notes that use of public transport in London has fallen by 40% and refers to a YouGov survey showing that 45% of Londoners have stopped visiting leisure venues, 30% have stopped seeing friends, 27% have stopped seeing family, 16% have stopped sending school age children to school and 13% have stopped going to work.

What happened after this to change the Government’s mind, given that this advice was published after Imperial College published its notorious March 16th paper? Perhaps it was the advice contained in a SAGE paper dated March 20th in which the advisory group says: “It is very likely that we will see ICU capacity in London breached by the end of the month, even if additional measures are put in place today.” As we know, additional measures were put in place two days later, but ICU capacity was not breached, either in London or elsewhere. To underline this point, it’s just been announced that the flagship Nightingale Hospital built in the ExCeL centre has now been mothballed. The Telegraph has more.

One thing that jumped out at me when reading these advisory papers is how political much of the advice is, containing judgments about how public announcements are likely to be received, what the Government should avoid doing if public confidence is to be maintained, etc. For instance, in a paper dated April 13th, SAGE highlights the risks associated with antibody testing, one of which is that employers might discriminate against people who are antibody negative. Another is that “commercial organisations” might start doing antibody tests. (God forbid!) This is very far from being merely scientific advice and some of the more overtly political stuff has clearly been relayed via a subgroup called the Scientific Pandemic Influenza group on Behaviour and Communications, or “SPI-B” to use its code name. The members of this group, who were revealed yesterday, aren’t all scientists, at least not in the commonly understood sense of the term, so their advice can’t really be called “scientific”. In a paper dated March 14th, the members are described as “academic specialists in Health Psychology, Social Psychology, Anthropology and History.” Given that left-of-centre academics in the social sciences and the humanities outnumber right-of-centre academics by a ratio of at least 10:1, what’s the betting that several members of this group turn out to be hard left supporters of Jeremy Corbyn? (If any reader wants to go through the list of SPI-B members and see what their political affiliations are, I’d be grateful.) Some of the reports produced by SPI-B are heavily redacted (see below), but on the plus side the anti-Tory activists on the subgroup can probably be relied upon to leak anything they think is likely to embarrass the Government.

There a good letter in today’s Telegraph about the Government’s over-reliance on the Imperial College model:

SIR – The Government is basing policy on Professor Neil Ferguson’s modelling, which assumes exponential growth if a disease is left unchecked. Though cases have increased, exponential growth has not occurred.

The Nobel laureate Professor Michael Levitt and Professor John PA Ioannidis, both of Stanford University, argue that Professor Ferguson’s calculations may be out by a factor of 10, and other experts have said that an increase in numbers slowed before lockdown could have had an effect.

Minutes of the meetings of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) should be released so that the conversation can be more open. Currently, we are all told to accept lockdown and there is no debate. One group’s opinions should not be blindly accepted. If Professor Ioannidis and Professor Levitt are wrong, we need to be told why.

Paul Sanderson, FRCS, Hexham, Northumberland

An American reader has flagged up some interesting data from the Transport Security Administration (TSA). The TSA, which is responsible for US airport security, employs slightly more than 54,000 people, about 25,000 of whom are customer facing. Of these, 516 have tested positive for COVID-19 and of those five have died. That suggests airports, and air travel, aren’t transmission hot spots, something Jonathan Kay also concluded in his Quillette article about Covid super spreaders. Incidentally, Quillette published an excellent account of what it’s like to work for the TSA by a long-standing employee last year.

Amusing anecdote about prison offers sent by one reader:

Next door neighbour’s son is a prison officer in the East Midlands. Turns out the screws there have been reprimanded because some of them have been getting haircuts from the lags, presumably in return for certain other considerations. Apparently, it’s screamingly obvious who the customers are since after several weeks of lockdown it was starting to look like a hippy convention.

Nigel Farage received a visit from the police yesterday after traveling to Dover to make a video about illegal immigrants. He complained about it last night, tweeting: “Lockdown lunacy. Two police officers just knocked on my door to advise me on essential travel. They had received a complaint that I had been to Dover to report on the illegal migrant scandal taking place. What a total waste of time and money.” Hard to disagree. The Standard has more.

Christopher Snowdon did a bang up job of making the case for ending the lockdown on Sky News yesterday that you can watch here. He looks a bit bored in his house on Shoreham-on-Sea, where he’s been holed up for six weeks, but I know something that will cheer him up – beer-delivery dogs. Six Habors Brewery of Huntingdon New York has enlisted the help of two golden retrievers called Buddy and Barley to help deliver beer to their customers. Will Oddbins in Shoreham-on-Sea follow suit? The Telegraph has more.

Buddy and Barley turn up in the nick of time

A quick round-up of interesting articles I’ve spotted, or which readers have flagged up, in the last 24 hours:

More suggestions for potential theme tunes for this site have been sent in by readers: ‘Twenty Yards Behind‘ by Dr Feelgood, ‘It’s the End of the World as We Know It‘ by REM, ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It‘ by Twisted Sister, ‘In the Land of the Pig, the Butcher is King‘ by Meatloaf, ‘Please Release Me‘ by Englebert Humperdink, ‘I Want to Break Free‘ by Queen and ‘Something Better Change‘ by The Stranglers. As several of you have pointed out, David Greenfield, the Stranglers’ keyboard player, died yesterday – although he died of COVID-19, so he may not have approved of that song being included here!

Thanks as always to those who made a donation to pay for the upkeep of this site yesterday. If you feel like donating, you can do so by clicking here. (Every little helps!) And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in tomorrow’s update, you can email me here. I’ve added a new page, detailing the legal challenges against lockdowns around the world, here. No doubt I’ll be adding to that list.

Apologies that the daily update was late today. Will try to do better tomorrow.

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kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago

Thanks again Toby. I’ve just come across this website, it was linked in the change.org petition:

https://evidencenotfear.com

Steve Austin
Steve Austin
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

Excellent site. A one stop shop for all things lockdownsceptic. Thanks for posting.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

Amazing site share with everyone we must fight for our freedom against the move to a totalitarian state.

giblets
giblets
6 years ago

Seems the government and media have done such a good job of hyping up the ignorant members of the population into the dangers of the virus they are going to have a hard job getting anyone back to work.

Tim
Tim
6 years ago
Reply to  giblets

Go to work. Protect the economy. Save lives. 🙂

RDawg
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Go to work. Stop watching Netflix. This Isn’t a Holiday.

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  giblets

Perhaps that it why there a few reports around today that the 80% furlough may be reduced to 60%!

andrew
andrew
6 years ago
Reply to  old fred

Stop furlough now you don’t work you don’t earn shock the public into action

John
John
6 years ago
Reply to  andrew

Need to shock the bloody bosses into action first, a lot of them have closed the workplaces on deluded health and safety grounds due to the (almost non-existent) risk that the virus poses.

GetaGrip
GetaGrip
6 years ago
Reply to  giblets

Stay at home. Hide under duvet. Collect P45.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago

“David Greenfield, the Stranglers’ keyboard player, died yesterday – although he died of COVID-19”.

Keeping us on our toes, Toby? You should always check the details: he was in hospital for a long running heart condition.

Steve Austin
Steve Austin
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Something better change.

Ethelred the Unready
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve Austin

I’m like a peasant in the big shitty

Ethelred the Unready
6 years ago

Just giving my original vinyl copy of Rattus Norvegicus a loud spin, cheered me right up!

Morris_Day
Morris_Day
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

This news did bring one thing to the front of my mind… is there a breakdown of new case suspected transmission? My assumption is there is a vey high percentage caught in hospitals or in care homes, rather than in the Big Bad World we are all too scared to go out into…

chris c
chris c
6 years ago
Reply to  Morris_Day

I would suspect that was inevitable but I’d like to see numbers

speedy
speedy
6 years ago
Reply to  Morris_Day

Yes I’ve seen a few things about this.

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago
Gko
Gko
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

“240 deaths have so far been reported”

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  Gko

The total number of deaths isn’t worked out until much later. I give you two articles from the UK 2018 flu season.

From February 2018:
“The flu death toll in the UK has now reached 231, latest statistics shows as officials claim the killer outbreak is now ‘stabilising’.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5340211/Flu-death-toll-hits-231-UK-new-figures-show.html
(an article that also shows pictures of some of the people who have died, including children)

Then later that year:
“There were 50,100 excess deaths in England and Wales last winter, when there was a prolonged spell of extreme cold, making it the highest number since 1976, figures have shown.

The Office for National Statistics said flu and the ineffectiveness of the flu vaccine were key reasons for the rise of excess winter deaths in 2017-18.”
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/30/excess-winter-deaths-in-england-and-wales-highest-since-1976

Notice the discrepancy between 231 recorded mid-season and the 50,100 deaths later attributed mainly to flu.

By the way, do you remember being told to stay in your house, and the economy grinding to a halt that year?

chris c
chris c
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Next flu season you will

eastberks44
eastberks44
6 years ago

Is there anything to stop British residents for downloading and using the Apple / Google app and just ignoring the UK government’s version?

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

Good question. Surely they would have to work together to be effective – one app informing the other.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

Since neither will get much support, why bother (even if you don’t care about privacy and government mission creep)?

chris c
chris c
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Mission creep from government creeps

Paul Seale
Paul Seale
6 years ago

A little late today Mr Young, has Caroline finally got you doing some house work or have you actually succumbed to the dreaded Covid?

I’ll add you the list for my 8pm clap Thursday if the former…

Will Jones
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul Seale

He’s already had it.

Paul Seale
Paul Seale
6 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

So he says!

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago

I’ve just been chatting to one of my bezzies. Sadly I note he is a zealot. He threw out all the common platitudes whilst as usual showing no evidence of having seen any of the actual….Evidence to the contrary. So I threw the evidence at him, rather relentlessly. Every time I landed a blow he simply kept saying “Who says?” Like I was just plucking this shit out of the air. *sigh* When I said “Google says. Google it. The top seach results will tell you ‘who says'” To which his response was “But nothing on the internet is reliable is it. I believe the medical experts”. Because Google doesn’t have a (fairly infamous by now) algorithm that filters out all ‘unreliable’ sources from the top results. Because there isn’t scientific research being conducted right now, the results of which are being published almost constantly on the free web. Because there are no other medical experts in the world other than the ones advising HM Gvt. (The most notable of whom isn’t even a doctor and has been proven to be full of shit multiple times already). Telling you what this ‘crisis’ is clearly showing me who has the power… Read more »

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Lots of that sort about – including my in-laws!

Morris_Day
Morris_Day
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Critical thinking has long been a thing of the past, but I thought we had common sense as a nation. I was wrong.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

What you need to remember is people are basically stupid and sheep, your friend would have cheered the Nazis to power and handed over his Jewish friends then after the war said he wasn’t aware of what was going on. Celebrities are the gods to these morons so where are they standing up for freedom and liberty there were plenty of them marching and mouthing off over brexit but the move to digital slavery and they just do their stay at home TV shows and take another bag of 30 pieces of silver

chris c
chris c
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Seen this?

Coronavirus: Prof Neil Ferguson quits government role after ‘undermining’ lockdown

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229

you just couldn’t make it up

APB
APB
6 years ago
Reply to  chris c

Thank goodness! Maybe this is a way of parking him without too much loss of face?

speedy
speedy
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

I’m finding it so hard that friends I usually respect have gone crackers, no critical thinking or research and those who don’t agree with lockdown are keeping quiet.

ShropshireLass
6 years ago
Reply to  speedy

Agree, Speedy – finding the same thing. Equally alarming is the appalling codswallop on local Facebook groups of which I am a member. So much ‘end of the world is nigh’, ‘ring the police if you spot a neighbour in their garden talking to another neighbour over the fence’ and ‘the virus is deadly and is all around us in the environment and could kill us all if we go out’ that I have made myself very unpopular (and banned from one group whose admin is a lockdown zealot) by politely and calmly refuting the rubbish with quoted facts and opinions of professionals – giving their names and qualifications and quoting links to reputable sources. Stop the Planet – I want to get off!

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

Great stuff, again, thanks. Re the Chivers program, this was my comment about it on Peter Hitchens’ blog after I listened to it the other day. Fairly typical stuff for both the BBC and Chivers, I think: I found that program quite annoying, with repeated assertions that were not sufficiently challenged, that it is somehow “morally repugnant” to weigh lives against money. The reality is that it should be the job of policymakers precisely to weigh lives against costs, as we recognise in reality every time NICE makes a decision – but note that Chivers describes this as “cold hearted”, whereas a better description would be “grown up”. It’s literally childish to try to pretend “life is everything”, and if you have a society that encourages people not to grow out of that delusion you end up with the kind of social and political elite that panics in the face of even quite small mortality, as we are seeing over this covid disease right now. The valid criticism of the costs of the lockdown was defused early on by a rather silly false equating of the disruption unavoidably created by the disease itself and the obviously hugely increased disruption (we… Read more »

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Send that to the BBC, complain online, you’re right I listened to it too and thought the same thing.

GLT
GLT
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Thank you for this…I read the summary in ‘Unherd’ and felt temporarily quite depressed. I am sure many out there agree with his ‘logic’, the fallacy of which you point out very well. How do you reason with people for whom a flippant ‘better lock down when you don’t need to’ is enough to justify this complete and unprecedented assault on human rights and freedom? The readers of this website and comments such as yours are the only ‘green shoots’ so, thank you!

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

2 anecdotes on lockdown consequences: the very nice lady operating the till at our local supermarket told me today that her disabled son- who has his own flat with regular support from care assistants- is finding the lack of physical contact with his mother very difficult.
She phones every day, but finds this to be a poor substitute since he is unable to comprehend fully the reasons for the house arrest.

The young woman who runs our independent greengrocer told me that her 84 year old mother is desperate for the isolation to finish. Her mother enjoys regular visits to the family shop and is a sociable soul.

Now it seems that Scotland must face another 3 weeks of this. My little town faces an uncertain future.

Mimi
Mimi
6 years ago

Thank you again, Toby! I do so look forward to these updates!

Here’s the full published paper from France about the patient who had COVID in December: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920301643

“Two recent studies suggested that around 18 to 23% infected with SARS-COV-2 were asymptomatic16 and that around 55% of infected were caused by unidentified infected persons.17 Our results strongly support these two assumptions, suggesting that many asymptomatic patients were not diagnosed during January 2020 and contributed to the spread of this epidemic.

Furthermore, since these results change our understanding of the dynamic of the epidemic, it also means that several models used to predict the evolution and outcomes of the SARS-COV-2 propagation might be based on biased data and would need to be adjusted to the actual profile of the epidemic.”

Ya think?

Pebbles
Pebbles
6 years ago
Reply to  Mimi

“Based on biased data”. Haha… what a laugh. But hurray, finally we have it in a main scientific paper, coz if I said this in a supermarket today that this virus has been going around London for most of the winter, I’d be stoned to death. Once this comes to light properly, it’ll be the biggest smack in the face for the lockdown zealots.

On a more practical note – so if I want to travel to Switzerland or Germany now… I MUST download the app and….? What then? Leave my phone on 24/7…? Report what…? My symptoms…? Someone else’s possible symptoms? Self-isolate because someone 500 meters down the road has reported as a potential Covid-19 patient? Hack in all my personal health data so Google and Apple can go on a major data mining adventure, which they will assure me they aren’t and it will all be deleted later? What a joke.
What if I download it, delete it for the visit, then download again when approaching border? Or will they actually arrest me now for not having my phone with me for 24/7…? Any insights?

swedenborg
6 years ago

Some interesting links
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/lockdown-stockholm-syndrome
An explanation that 80 % of UK population likes the lockdown and wants more of it
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/dubious-covid-models-tests-now-consequences
Rather detailed information about the covid-19 models and who is backing them
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/pseudo-science-behind-mysterious-assault-hydroxychloroquine
interesting piece about a drug Big Pharma has downplayed in Western countries, too cheap. But look at the striking low death rates in Turkey, India and other non European countries using them.

APB
APB
6 years ago

I try to give every side of the argument a fair hearing and to research alternative viewpoints but I am getting stuck on one issue. Does anyone have any evidence of a single example of where Prof Ferguson’s model HAS proved even remotely accurate – even ball-park, country mile etc. I cannot find any. There must be something somewhere, surely?

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  APB

In short, no.
Maybe his undergrad thesis was passable

Paul Seale
Paul Seale
6 years ago
Reply to  APB

The one where he said if I can get one of my models to be accepted as proof this is how much power you will yield Mr Gates.

Ethelred the Unready
6 years ago
Reply to  APB

What is remarkable is that a simple guess would be right at least some of the time? Ferguson appears to break even that rule

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  APB

According to Twitter Ferguson has just resigned – for breaking Lockdown rules – ha!

AntisepticSkeptic
AntisepticSkeptic
6 years ago

It is remarkable how anybody possessing a developed frontal lobe could consider it surprising the virus was not in Europe before Christmas.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago

It is even more surprising to me that anyone with the relevant bit of brain could regard the lockdown as even slightly sensible.

ShropshireLass
6 years ago

I’m 99% sure I went down with it on 23rd December, after working closely with a large group of Chinese who had just flown into Britain – several of whom were evidently feeling poorly and quite a few had a repetitive cough. We were all in a warm, enclosed building with air conditioning for 3 days. 10 days later I suddenly developed a dry throat based cough which got worse. Developed a headache the next day (very rare for me) and within 24 hours a temperature. Cough by this time was persistent. Treated temperature and headache with paracetamol. Thought to myself – well this is a new virus – have never had anything like this before. Improved after 5 days but the cough lasted 2 weeks. When the symptoms of Covid-19 were broadcast mid January I did some detailed internet searches. Discovered 2 Chinese doctors had reported to authorities evidence of a new coronavirus on 1st December and 10th December respectively (first case in Wuhan, but other in a different province. Previous to this other doctors throughout China had been reporting unusually large numbers of viral pneumonia patients, some of whom had died, from “an unknown cause” throughout the autumn.… Read more »

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
6 years ago
Reply to  ShropshireLass

One of my brothers and his family were very ill at Christmas (in Cheltenham) and it was the first time the rest of us didn’t visit.

Tim
Tim
6 years ago

A couple of days ago I emailed a friend of mine … Flo … who lives with her family in Le Mans. I included a mini rant about lockdown and being treated like children. Here is part of her reply: “I’m glad you expressed your opinion. We feel exactly the same over here. It’s not so much a lockdown over here. Confinement is the term we use. We are allowed to go out for a list of reasons, and we have to check a box on a form each time we decide to go out. Being French, everybody cheats and goes out either various times, or for longer periods of time. I can actually ride my bike to JM’s through back streets without being noticed… Like you we are fed up with the way we are governed, treated, lied to. We hear exactly the same arguments as you are. I’ve said that many times to Jean-Michel. Hearing French news/policians, then listening to the BBC and reading the Guardian etc. they say exactly the same things. It’s frightening. Jean-michel says it’s because Johnson and Macron are both neoliberals and they are totally on the same tracks. Money makers working for money… Read more »

Paul Seale
Paul Seale
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim

In some sense this gives me great hope. Perhaps we could turn Britain from brexit Island into liberty Island, I’ll take a free living European over a bedwetting remainer.

speedy
speedy
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim

We are not alone. But it can feel like it. Keep sharing.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

The British response to disease – then (1918) and now. I believe excessive fear has been one of the main roots of our problems with the current covid virus, and in particular the active encouragement of grossly disproportionate fear of this disease, more or less intentionally, by the deeds and words of our government and medical authorities and of our opinion forming media. In many cases, it’s likely they were motivated to do so by an idea that they were doing something responsible, because fear would encourage support for and cooperation with the measures those authorities believed necessary (and that in itself doubtless came back to their own inordinate fear, or in some cases fear of being blamed). It’s interesting then to consider the following description, from Influenza: The Quest to Cure the Deadliest Disease in History, by Jeremy Brown, of a time when Britain faced a disease far, far more deadly than this one, and with none of the tools and knowledge available to fight it that we have today. I don’t know how accurate the account is, or how much this approach managed in practice to defuse the fear effects of what was, objectively, a disease actually worthy… Read more »

Mark Hunter
Mark Hunter
6 years ago

Sturgeon said today she’s basing her opinion that it’s too early to ease the lockdown in Scotland due to “26,000 people testing positive”. Yet on her own government’s CV19 webpage, it lists the positive cases at 12,437.

Asides from her comment about the 26,000 positive cases being a lie, what does she seek to gain by blatantly misleading the Scottish public?

Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark Hunter

i’m Scottish and i’m ashamed to say that the type of person who supports Sturgeon just doesn’t have the intellectual capacity to understand much more than shouting freedom and drinking excessively without any style.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Agreed! She’ll do whatever it takes to whip up support for another neverendum.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark Hunter

Wasn’t she already caught lying when she made the fake news assertion that England was being prioritised over Scotland for PPE? In one of her press conferences. Luckily it was roundly rebuffed by Handjob in the Westminster press conference minutes after 😂
Also I’m pretty sure she was peddling that nonsense about an NHS trust manager begging Burberry for PPE – but the entire MSM was also on that train

swedenborg
6 years ago

Another rope delivered for the Italian suicide by Fergusson

London researchers mathematically modelled how virus would spread and kill in Italy in three scenarios
If population went back to just 20 per cent of their normal routines, there could be 5,000 additional fatalities
If there was 40 per cent increase in mobility, there could be more than 23,000 extra deaths in just eight weeks
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-05-04-COVID19-Report-20.pdf

RDawg
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The only people who need to be locked down are Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College. They are basically de facto mass murderers. There I said it.

Chris
Chris
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Just read he’s been sacked for breaking lock down you really couldn’t make it up

Jim
Jim
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Turns out he can’t even keep to his own lockdown plan, he’s been caught visiting a partner. If he comes up with the lockdown and doesn’t think it worth sticking to then that’s a pretty good indication of the validity of such a policy. Time to set ourselves free.

Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
6 years ago

Tuesdays are my visit to do the weekly shopping. Anything more than one visit a week is too difficult to contemplate. It is now a Hampton court maze to get in with diversions for those queing through the clothes department to tempt you. I did see a lady grabbing her silk scarf to hold around her mouth but curiously not her nose . It reminded me of the madness yesterday whilst running along a wide country lane a couple at least 20 feet away from me turned to face the hedge. People have gone insane with fear and the government have been gaslighting them. Anyway as someone on the ” front line ” I thought i would enlighten you as to why non covid deaths among the elderly have sky rocketed. Many elderly especially in residential homes are revolving door patients to the local Hospital . The staff of residential homes often from overseas are keen to get your 85 year old with a nasty water infection not responding to antibiotics or your 90 year old who has signs of a stroke etc into hospital where they emerge a week or two later after IV antibiotics or thrmonbolysys for their… Read more »

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

Yep, and hospitals are refusing to take them as well, it’s a travesty what we are doing to our old.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Malcolm Kendrick write a good piece a couple of weeks ago on the disgraceful treatment of the elderly – the very people we actually should be specially protecting from this virus:

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/21/the-anti-lockdown-strategy/

RDawg
6 years ago

Hi All,

Both InProportion2 and EvidenceNotFear have agreed to host my MP Letter Template on their websites. You can access them here:

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/pages/letter_to_mp.html
https://evidencenotfear.com/fearless/#action

You can find details of your local MP here: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/

In addition to your local MP, I strongly suggest writing directly to the following highly influential MPs who can potentially bring this lockdown to a close:

– Sir Graham Brody (Chair of the 1922 Committee)
– Sir Charles Walker (Joint Vice-Chair)
– Steve Baker
– Robert Courts

Also the below members of the 1922 Committee:

Dame Cheryl Gillan (Joint Vice-Chair)
Bob Blackman (Executive Secretary)
Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Treasurer)
Kemi Badenoch
Sir Bernard Jenkin
John Lamont
Pauline Latham
Jeremy Lefroy
Sheryll Murray
Mark Pawsey
Alec Shelbrooke
John Stevenson
Bill Wiggin
William Wragg

It is only through collective action, lobbying and continued pressure, we can encourage the Government to come to their senses. You can also contact them via their relevant social media platforms (e.g. Twitter).

This is currently our best chance at getting our elected representatives to sit up and take notice.

Good luck!
RDawg.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

I’m currently sending my MP (a rather weird looking Tory bloke) the same email every day at 9am. Maybe I should try writing too.

RDawg
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Good stuff! Keep up the pressure.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Yes – if only we had MPs who would listen!

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Sent mine just now. Wish I had done it a couple days ago now though as my MP was asking questions at the select committee this morning

ShropshireLass
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Thanks RDawg – will get on the case.

swedenborg
6 years ago

One of the strangest things I have heard of is the existence of something called the Military World Games. I found it even more flabbergasting that the 2019 Military World Games were held in Wuhan in October 2019. It was reported earlier that Chinese counterintelligence had claimed that the USA was in fact behind the COVID-19 outbreak. The US military team performed very badly in the Games as they were mostly ill with a flu-like illness which they had allegedly contracted at the Fort Detrick biolab in Maryland. That was vehemently denied by the US authorities, leading predictably to a spat between the two countries. But now with multiple reports of COVID-19 cases occurring in Europe already in December, those allegations become even more interesting: https://www.thelocal.se/20200505/the-coronavirus-may-have-arrived-in-sweden-in-november The Swedish State epidemiologist reported that there were probably COVID-19 cases in Sweden already in November, but he had no evidence in the form of PCR or antibody tests. He could not envisage launching a scientific study under the pressing conditions of the pandemic. A bit offhand, I must say, but he obviously had some background information. https://nsd.se/nyheter/lulea/regementslakaren-atta-norrbottningar-har-provtagits-nm5340524.aspx An army doctor in Luleå, Sweden, reported in mid-April that she had seen several participants in… Read more »

Benjamin Turner
Benjamin Turner
6 years ago

Have I missed it, or has no one suggested “Down With The Sickness” as the title track? I’d say Lounge Against the Machine’s cover, which I believe makes it into Dawn of the Dead in 2004, would be the most apropos.
Benjamin Turner MD, FRCSC

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Lockdown needs to start being lifted this weekend there is no justification for it the forcing people to use a phone app to track where they have been and who with is massive over kill and a breach of civil liberties. As for all tuc members that refuse to work stop paying them let us see if they are still happy to protest when their houses are repossessed and no food. This is the end of a free society we are all now prisoners of the state and why ?

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago

Good grief, just done daily YouGov chat, and over 80% want lockdown to go on for more than six weeks! Thanks to the person who shared this George Carlin clip (don’t listen if you are offended by swearing) as this now sums up my views on this entire situation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSbT7JVNEU4&app=desktop

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Hilarious, thanks!

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

As soon as lockdown is lifted and they rediscover liberty, they’ll go back to berating welfare claimants daily despite the fact that they’ve just had a few months basically doing the same themselves

Paul Ballard
Paul Ballard
6 years ago

The worrying thing is that we have arguably the worst bunch of MPs in our lifetimes, who were useless, completely incompetent and unable to agree on anything for three years when delaying Brexit and a media who can generally only write the most basic articles to panic the public as easier than thinking outside of the box or asking any questions.
Put that together and there’s little chance of any sensible and timely decisions to end this nightmare.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago

Coronavirus UK lockdown rebellion: Boris Johnson warned by Tories, “Lockdown has collapsed demand!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw_bWvDHRJk

Boris Johnson criticised for spelling out lockdown exit strategy via TV speech, Commons First!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI8Ct2EBYq0

Winston Smith
6 years ago

Here a thought, it is estimated that there 300,000 yearly deaths due to obesity.

Is it ethical to force overweight or obese people to follow strict dietary restrictions to save lives and protect the NHS?

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

And smoking, and drinking (that’d go down well).

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

Damn! The man who should have been dismissed long ago for being at best a menace to good governance instead ends up resigning over a stupid trivial breach of a stupid trivial regulation imposed thanks to his own misguidance.

Well, still a kind of poetic justice I suppose.

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

What a headline for the tabloids:

LOCKDOWN, BUT HE COULDN’T KEEP HIS COCKDOWN!

Reckon this is a cover story. Most of the sheeple haven’t heard of Ferguson; that may change as this pantomime plays out, and then a lot of awkward questions may come his way and throw up the dodgy Imperial College / Gates Foundation connection. Getting rid of him now might reduce this publicity.

I imagine a couple of grey-suited types may have turned up on his doorstep and said “Now, Dr. Ferguson, you’re going to get caught having rumpy-pumpy with your lover during lockdown – capice? And then you’ll resign, pack your bags and – as soon as this lockdown you caused is over – you’re going to bugger off to Outer Mongolia where you will be out of reach of the questioning British public forever. Sign here.”

Sorry, I’m a natural-born cynic!

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

I hope the Sun editor sees your suggestion… 🙂

I don’t know the details, but I suspect he will still have his Imperial position. It’s probably just the government advisory position he’s had to resign from.

Scots lass
Scots lass
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

Thanks for a much needed good laugh 😂😂😂😂😂

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

Wow

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

What a dickhead

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

Simon Dolan running a poll on twitter, ‘Should we sue Neil Ferguson?’ 95% say yes. I have hope, the man is a rampant hypocrite. Also see here https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1257629942646521857/photo/1

Mimi
Mimi
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

NFW!!!! Ugh, couldn’t he have done this two months ago! Is he running scared now? It must be disconcerting to see the anger building against him.

Jim
Jim
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

Let us hope that this revelation has been made public to discredit him. If we are really lucky then there might be rational forces somewhere in govrnment who want to make one of the best known proponents of lockdown look incompetent, as a step towards encouraging public distrust of lockdown and being able to end this disasterous policy once the public have been brought round to seeing lockdown as a bad thing. If we aren’t lucky then we’d better get ready to end the lockdown for ourselves.

Nick M
Nick M
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

His Covid must have been fairly mild then if he was up to a good shag with a blond 15 years his junior the moment his isolation ended the dirty bugger.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago

I’m two generous G&Ts in, so if this is a terrible idea, then tell me, but why don’t we just refuse to cooperate? If enough people did it, what they gonna do, water cannon us all? Particularly if we did really normal, sensible, not generally law breaking things like go to the bottle bank, or go to work, or have a barbecue, or a game of cricket and some scones and jam or something? I am starting to think the only way out is through, our version of a student sit in, we just ignore them?

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I think you’re right. I’m doing it in my own way but as I’m actually allowed out it’s not making much difference. I think we need another sunny weekend to break everyone out of their chains and get them in the parks.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Just suggested to my mum and dad that we have a sunday lunch, get my brother and his kids over, they’ve all been in, we’ve all been in, we can sit outside, fire up the barbie, where’s the harm? Our neighbours might disapprove but they wouldn’t snitch. I did a little drive round the other day, paper shop, Aldi, co-op and the hardware shop, nobody told me my purchases weren’t essential, I think I’m just going to suit myself.

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Two things. I live on the south coast and I go out every day in the forlorn hope that I might see a bit of disobedience, someone walking on the beach. Not a chance, though a woman was sitting by a windbreaker as the tide went out today. It was bloody cold too with an easterly wind. I also live at the foot of the South Downs and on sunny days have focussed my binoculars up there hoping to see at least a dozen walkers traipsing around in defiance. I always return home disappointed that anarchy seems to have hibernated. I’m half hoping someone will offer to do some NVDA with me but hardly see anyone. Secondly, isn’t ‘essential items’ a myth put out by the police? I’m sure some government minister said in some briefing that if the shop is selling it you can buy it. Even ghastly Priti Patel doesn’t want police snooping in shoppers bags.

Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Baldwin

In my area the wee cafe opened up on Monday and is still going. I’m in Scotland and i’ve got to say most people are not behind this lockdown. We’re not the richest place in the world and everyone needs to get out working. Sure there are those corona cows mooing away but the roads are busy again and everyone is visiting their friends. All my neighbours have people round like normal. I have heard that the police in England have been terrible but up here you never see them

Harry
Harry
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Baldwin

Saw more people on a footpath just outside a town today than have ever seen on a week of walking it before. So some people are getting their sanity back, shame my boss won’t get that sanity back too so I can get back to the job I enjoy.

Priti Patel on the other hand, definitely wants cops going through shopping bags, no-one else does and many frontline cops themselevs wouldn’t want to but that smirking beacon of evil definitely does.

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Baldwin

People don’t want to drone cammed on somewhere like a beach, that’s a hotspot for ‘name and shame’ hit piece headlines. Around here on the edge of Berkshire there are loads of people out walking, on their bikes etc. Loads of cyclists! I never paid any attention to any fucking rule, been out every day on the bike for a few miles, to the shops when I feel like it. It’s going on I assure you

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Baldwin

Loads of people on Seaford prom, Nigel. My wife even made me walk down to the sea too.

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Well I’m glad to hear it John B. Not so much in Eastbourne

DressageRider
DressageRider
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Baldwin

I am in Eastbourne area and about two weeks ago I went to the beach where there were in fact a few people sunning themselves in more out of the way spots. Good for them! It looked idyllic. Lots of tanned seniors sitting on benches as well. Double good for them. Also there are loads of peeps walking on the Downs here, some of the less well known parking places are available. Traffic is getting more back to normal as well. (but don’t all rush over at once, or the authorities might notice).

Nigel Baldwin
Nigel Baldwin
6 years ago
Reply to  DressageRider

I live in the same place DressageRider, up in The Meads. I’ve not seen anyone on the beach except an occasional lone dog walker and a couple of kids (at separate times). Maybe I’m going out at the wrong time of day

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Just won’t work until the masses are de-brainwashed. This is what has upset me the most in all this, the general fucking public. I mean ffs, remember all those riots we had by about a decade ago for God knows what? So we probably have a bunch of council estate kids, stuck in their high rise for weeks on end, and none of them have wanted to get out on the street to smash stuff up…? It’s incredible. Right now I would support any protest of any kind, better the devil you know….

ShropshireLass
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Made an attempt at being a minor, low key rebel yesterday by going out to buy a take-away scone and jam, after police prioritised intention to act on a possible minor lockdown over a drug deal. See my post of this morning at top of page!

Bob
Bob
6 years ago

When are UK Gov going to allow critical petitions onto their website, the lift the lockdown one has been under consideration for weeks!

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Bob

They are really tricky to get the wording right, I might have missed the preamble to all this, but might be worth revising the wording? And trying again? I only know this as I was involved in one a while ago, and took several attempts to get it approved.

Adele Bull
Adele Bull
6 years ago
Bob
Bob
6 years ago
Reply to  Adele Bull

Link doesn’t work?

Adele Bull
Adele Bull
6 years ago
Reply to  Bob

Oh, weird. It’s about Neil Ferguson resigning!